# I have left the Democratic Party.

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [June 6, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140 "2019-06-06T20:39:13Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/41 "2019-06-06T23:28:07Z")

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> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#):
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> Let’s go to the quarry and throw stuff down there! Hilarious! You think I’m a Democrat!

Well, lots of folks seem shocked I’m not a Republican, so there you go. 😛

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [June 6, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/42 "2019-06-06T23:35:40Z")

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> [@XT](#):
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> Yet you know that some self identified Democrats voted for the guy, right? I mean, yeah, I get it…or, I guess I don’t get it as well…it’s a head scratcher that anyone would approve of this idiot. Yet, I’ve seen polls where self identified Dems DO think he’s doing a good job, usually on some vertical issue or other to be sure, but look at any poll and you’ll see that some percentage of Dems do believe this. It really shouldn’t be shocking to anyone, to be honest. Perplexing, to me anyway, but not shocking.

Some Democrats voted for Bush. I know there are a handful of Democrats that tend to usually vote for Republicans. Those aren’t really Democrats in any functional sense.

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**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/43 "2019-06-07T00:22:47Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> Some Democrats voted for Bush. I know there are a handful of Democrats that tend to usually vote for Republicans. Those aren’t really Democrats in any functional sense.

But you realize there are more than a handful (maybe 5%, maybe 10%) of self identified Democrats that approve of Trump in the various polls…right? And that a lot of disaffected Dems in the last election tipped the scale for Trump…right?

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/44 "2019-06-07T00:34:33Z")

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> [@XT](#):
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> But you realize there are more than a handful (maybe 5%, maybe 10%) of self identified Democrats that approve of Trump in the various polls…right? And that a lot of disaffected Dems in the last election tipped the scale for Trump…right?

Yeah, but the same (to some degree) can be said for virtually every president, if not all of them.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/45 "2019-06-07T00:34:34Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> The Democratic Congress has passed a relatively high number of progressive priorities since taking power earlier this year. Only in the mind of Hannity or Trump himself are the Democrats “not accomplishing anything”. They’re accomplishing a lot, at least in terms of the power they actually have (i.e. half of one of three branches of government).

Can you list some of those progressive priorities that have been passed? I must have missed them.

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**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/46 "2019-06-07T00:48:25Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> Can you list some of those progressive priorities that have been passed? I must have missed them.

Post #20 not enough detail?

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/47 "2019-06-07T00:53:12Z")

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Post #20 mentioned a lot of things the House has passed. But not Congress. Since, you know, Congress has two houses.

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**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/48 "2019-06-07T00:59:56Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> Post #20 mentioned a lot of things the House has passed. But not Congress. Since, you know, Congress has two houses.

Yes, but that means that trump is attacking Democrats because they don’t control the Senate too.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/49 "2019-06-07T01:01:56Z")

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> [@E-DUB](#):
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> Yes, but that means that trump is attacking Democrats because they don’t control the Senate too.

I don’t care what the President does. I care about someone saying “The Democratic Congress has passed a relatively high number of progressive priorities since taking power earlier this year” when it doesn’t seem like Congress has passed anything.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/50 "2019-06-07T01:02:22Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> Post #20 mentioned a lot of things the House has passed. But not Congress. Since, you know, Congress has two houses.

I was only talking about the House (sometimes the House is called Congress). Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

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**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/51 "2019-06-07T01:11:21Z")

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> [@Rilchiam](#):
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> Thirty-one years ago, I cast my first vote, in the Illinois primary, for my senator, Paul Simon. A Democrat. But the party has changed since he was a pillar of it, and I no longer want to claim it.

The Republican Party has changed since George H.W. Bush was a pillar of it, 31 years ago.

I hope you and all the other Mountaineers/Greenies come back when Donald Trump wins re-election and tell us how at least YOU stood for principle.

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**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/52 "2019-06-07T01:14:29Z")

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> [@Procrustus](#):
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> There is nothing more important than getting rid of Trump. Nothing.

[Eric Levitz disagrees](http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/2020-election-democrat-nightmare-trump-loses-senate-race.html). I’m with Levitz on this.

As Levitz points out, winning the Presidency without winning the Senate (or winning the Senate but leaving the filibuster in place) could easily wind up with 2022 looking like 2010 and 1994. A Republican could win the Presidency in 2024, or maybe the Dem holds on in the White House, but still can’t get anything through Congress. Then it’s 2028, a Republican wins the Presidency, and the planet is screwed.

But in this scenario, we beat Trump, which was the most important thing, period.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/53 "2019-06-07T01:15:29Z")

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> [@iiandyiiii](#):
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> I was only talking about the House (sometimes the House is called Congress). Sorry if that wasn’t clear.

This seems pretty weak, man. A better answer would be “Yeah, I meant just the House”

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**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/54 "2019-06-07T01:22:55Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> This seems pretty weak, man. A better answer would be “Yeah, I meant just the House”

I think everyone knew he was talking about the House, including you.

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**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/55 "2019-06-07T01:24:50Z")

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> [@Slash1972](#):
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> This seems pretty weak, man. A better answer would be “Yeah, I meant just the House”

Yes, that’s what I said. You put the same sentiment into different words. Not sure how that’s “weak”, but if you feel the need to pick a silly fight, go right ahead.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/56 "2019-06-07T01:27:39Z")

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> [@CarnalK](#):
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> I think everyone knew he was talking about the House, including you.

Not true. When I see someone say “Congress passed something” I think they mean “Congress passed something”

I’m weird like that.

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**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/57 "2019-06-07T01:30:07Z")

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No, you’re weird in an entirely different way.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/58 "2019-06-07T01:33:16Z")

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Well, there may be many ways I’m weird in.

Holding someone accountable to the actual words they use may be the least weird way I’m in.

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**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/59 "2019-06-07T01:39:26Z")

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Ok, you win. You honestly didn’t understand that he meant House democrats. Congrats.

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**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-have-left-the-democratic-party/835140/60 "2019-06-07T01:48:23Z")

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> [@CarnalK](#):
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> Ok, you win. You honestly didn’t understand that he meant House democrats. Congrats.

No, I didn’t. I honestly thought he meant Congress had passed things. I wanted to know what Congress had passed. But it turns out Congress didn’t pass anything. Not sure why congratulations are necessary.

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