# I hereby pit the gang of hypocritical deniers "debating" GIGObuster **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 5, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281 "2011-09-05T16:32:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/521 "2011-09-17T15:14:31Z")
The important parts get quoted. It cuts down on the Gish Too much Gish, not enough logic ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/522 "2011-09-17T15:48:46Z")
> [@](#): > > The emotional, self rightous rhetoric, the personal insults, the illogical and constant moving of whatever it is, it’s hard to tell, it’s like trying to make sense of a religion. > > Any scientific point made is just swept aside, and torrent of yet another something, along with a flood of words that make no sense. It’s ridiculous. The irony, it burns once again. I started this thread precisely because the only thing I was seeing on the “skeptic” side (in the latest GD thread that I linked to, but this of course has been a long-time thing here) was “The emotional, self rightous rhetoric, etc. etc.” Thus the pitting was exactly a result of the nonsensical repetitive horseshit that was constantly being shoveled **GIGO** ’s way, and I finally got sick and tired of it and decided to call you assholes on it all. He gives you jerkwads cite after cite, and all you do in return is engage in your endless mindless sophistry. Your hyprocisy it seems knows absolutely no fucking bounds; it’s the deniers who are engaging in these tactics, not the AGW proponents, and have been for years here. Pitting is the end result of all this horseshit, not the beginning-it’s when you at long last realize that nobody on the denier side is engaging in good faith, and decide to let them have it, all barrels. Bill Maher puts it the best: > [@](#): > > And finally, New Rule: You can’t have a dialogue with people who don’t speak your language. > > On the Internet this week, Al Gore presented the Climate Reality Project, a 24-hour marathon of global warming facts and figures designed to change the minds of climate skeptics. Hah. Oh, Al. It’s going to take more than a PowerPoint presentation to convince Rick Perry that climate change is real. Rick Perry needs evidence, like a whale swallowing Jonah. Or Moses parting the Red Sea. You know, facts. > > Which is why I urge the media to start referring to climate skeptics as what they really are: **climate assholes**. > > You know, Winston Churchill once said in wartime, the truth is protected by a bodyguard of lies. In America today, Republican voters are protected by a bodyguard of “duh”. A think shell of super-hardened bullshit. A membrane so tough, the only thing that gets in is Fox News, and the only thing that comes out are misspelled words and babies. > > Has this ever happened to you? You go home for Thanksgiving, and your uncle from Ohio is there, who you thought was normal. But soon the discussion turns to politics, and he says, “That Barack Nobama wants to use the UN to seize our guns and give them to his Negro army of ACORN volunteers.” And you think, What?!? Where is he even getting this stuff? > > Trying to get today’s Republican to accept basic facts is like trying to get your dog to take a pill. You have to feed them the truth wrapped in a piece of baloney, hold their snout shut, and stroke their throats. And even then, just when you think they’ve swallowed it, they spit it out all over you. > > Gore called his project 24 Hours of Reality, and that’s the problem. Half the country doesn’t believe in reality. But I guess it’s unfair to accuse Republicans like this, without a typical Republican voter to refute my points. So tonight, we have here in the studio, please welcome him with a nice round of applause, a typical Republican voter! ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/523 "2011-09-17T16:03:06Z")
> [@](#): > > I started this thread precisely because the only thing I was seeing on the “skeptic” side (in the latest GD thread that I linked to, but this of course has been a long-time thing here) was "The emotional, self rightous rhetoric, etc. etc. I would guess that you have blinded yourself to the misconduct of people on your side of the debate as well as to the constructive conduct of people on the side against you. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/524 "2011-09-17T16:04:35Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I don’t know, but I put his idiot ass on ignore, the first time I used that feature here. He just never shuts the fuck up, and constantly changes the tune, and refuses to answer simple questions. > > I’ve seen this kind of crazy before, and it never ends well. As the best minded dopers, even conservative ones, are supporting me, your delusion knows no bounds, so as I said before it is fine with me that you put me on ignore, it demonstrates only that you are just a willful ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/525 "2011-09-17T16:04:57Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > **GIGO** is far to much of a gentleman to pit this gang of obnoxious assholes, even tho they so richly deserve it, so I’ll do him the favor. Starting off with a blanket insult, illogical emotional rhetoric, and accusing your “enemies” of doing what you just did, it makes you look like an idiot. Not that anyone needs this pointed out, but hope springs eternal. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/526 "2011-09-17T16:06:49Z")
I actually went and read the Mann thread, and nothing in the OP here is justified. I see skeptics actually trying to pin down Gigo, and his twisting, turning and dodging is quite obvious. Also he never shuts the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/527 "2011-09-17T16:12:19Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Given the passion with which you embrace fallacies, I’m pretty sure you have no idea what “logic” tells you. You two just don’t speak the same language. > > Onward. Onward to irrelevance for you, the evidence also shows that the other few scientists that allowed their political ideology to triumph over science go that way. Even after the previous resignation was also touted as the end of the consensus or the beginning of the end of the theories behind AGW, we all know how that turned out. Just a talking point and no science. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/528 "2011-09-17T16:14:30Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > The important parts get quoted. It cuts down on the Gish > > Too much Gish, not enough logic And the idiot, glad he put me on ignore, just refuses to point at the evidence that show I posted erroneous things, such delusion of even what he thinks is a great point is hilarious. Now you see why I never put anyone on ignore. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![brazil84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8491ac/32.png) [@brazil84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brazil84)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/529 "2011-09-17T16:15:42Z")
Let’s do this for starters: **DiFool** , in this thread you accuse me of being a “hypocrite” in the GD thread. Please explain exactly what I said in that thread which is hypocritical or which discloses hypocrisy. Please supply quotes. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/530 "2011-09-17T16:32:09Z")
I’m not holding my breath for an answer. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/531 "2011-09-17T16:34:41Z")
> [@brazil84](#): > > I would guess that you have blinded yourself to the misconduct of people on your side of the debate as well as to the constructive conduct of people on the side against you. If the blindness had been invented by Al Gore you should had a point, unfortunately it was discovered more than 100 years a go and the modern understanding of the mechanisms was found 60 years ago. Too much blind people as the result, that is the ones that are blinded by the science. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/532 "2011-09-17T16:42:38Z")
> [@FXMastermind](#): > > I actually went and read the Mann thread, and nothing in the OP here is justified. I see skeptics actually trying to pin down Gigo, and his twisting, turning and dodging is quite obvious. > > Also he never shuts the fuck up. As the scientists are not shutting up, one should pay attention to them, not a bloke like me on the internet, of course that point still fries over these deniers, the reality is that they are the ones running away from the experts and the evidence, and this should be about politics, but as it was already demonstrated, most do get their erroneous talking point myths from partisan sites. [http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/15/320538/bipartisan-scientists-climate-change/](http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/09/15/320538/bipartisan-scientists-climate-change/) > [@](#): > > Kerry Emanuel, a climate and hurricane expert who happens to be a Republican, has co-authored a must-read op-ed with Peter C. Frumhoff, an ecologist. who happens to be a Democrat, “Candidates must deal with facts, not wishes.” > > Here’s more: > > > [@](#): > > > > Scientists have known for more than 100 years that carbon dioxide in our atmosphere traps heat. And today we know that the excess carbon dioxide accumulating in the atmosphere from human activity – primarily, burning coal and oil and clearing forests – is altering our climate. > > > > ``` > > It’s a conclusion based on established physics and on evidence gathered from satellite data, ancient ice cores, temperature stations, fossilized trees and corals. And it’s a conclusion affirmed by the U.S. National Academy of Sciences, established by President Lincoln to advise our nation’s leaders on matters of science. > > > > ``` > > Note: The major 2011 climate report from the National Academy of Sciences called on nation to “substantially reduce greenhouse gas emissions” starting ASAP. > > > [@](#): > > > > But as scientific understanding of climate change has advanced, the public discourse has split along partisan lines. > > > > ``` > > Republicans who identify with the Tea Party are particularly likely to deny the reality of global warming. Several of this year’s aspiring presidential candidates are rejecting the findings of climate science – and feeling the political heat if they don’t. > > > > After former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney reiterated his understanding that human activity is warming the planet, Rush Limbaugh denounced him for doing so, saying, “bye-bye nomination.” Romney now says that he doesn’t know what is causing climate change. > > > > ``` > > ``` > Texas Gov. Rick Perry recently accused climate scientists of “manipulating data.” In Wednesday’s Republican candidate debate, he made an argument like the one tobacco industry executives used to cast doubt on the scientific evidence of smoking’s health risks, saying, “The idea that we would put Americans’ economy in jeopardy based on scientific theory that’s not settled yet to me is just nonsense.” Science is never truly settled and no responsible leader would wait for 100 percent certainty to respond to a serious threat. > > ``` ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/533 "2011-09-17T17:16:01Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > So in the end you want me to reinvent the wheel? > > Piffle, I just go for more than an educated guess, you look for the science. > > [How sensitive is our climate?](http://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-sensitivity-advanced.htm) > And you want me to have a different opinion than that? On what basis? So keep living with disappointment, as I explained before my opinion is not important, what counts is the scientific publications and what they report to us. > > And just be on the lookout for sources that make you look like a chump Aji. So that’s 0 for 3. 1. Find a person who agreed I was lying? Nothing. 2. Find a person who thougth I was lying of omission? Nothing 3. Give a personal opinion? Nothing I imagine how it must be a GB’s job. “Hey, GB, who wins tonight? Philly or Buffalo?” GB: “Well, accoriding to this website there a 43.67% chance of Philly winning if they score a running TD after an opponent’s 3-and-out, but this site says that if Buffalo has fewer than 4 punts in thr first half their chance of winning by more than 5 points increase by 23.4%” ““Dude, Philly or Buffalo, it’s for the office pool”” “No, it’s an unsicentific way of determining probabilites. Look I have this chart with meta-anaylises from 68 experts that clearly states that there is a high varibility of results with teams that have had losing records in games played in prime-numbered weeks on a Fibonacci series day” “Man, if oyu don’t want to play, just say so. No. You are an agent for Big Pool, rejecting clear science”. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/534 "2011-09-17T17:19:43Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > If the blindness had been invented by Al Gore you should had a point, unfortunately it was discovered more than 100 years a go and the modern understanding of the mechanisms was found 60 years ago. > > Too much blind people as the result, that is the ones that are **blinded by the science**. (my bolding) [You mean like these people?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83JR2IoI8k&ob=av3e) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/535 "2011-09-17T17:25:05Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > (my bolding) > > [You mean like these people?](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83JR2IoI8k&ob=av3e) I \*\*was \*\*going to link to that, but I thought it was too corny. 🙂 That link of yours reports that it can not be played in the USA, so: She Blinded Me With Science [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/3fI8834iCgo/hqdefault.jpg "Thomas Dolby - She Blinded Me With Science") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fI8834iCgo) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/536 "2011-09-17T17:29:04Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > So that’s 0 for 3. > > 1. Find a person who agreed I was lying? Nothing. > 2. Find a person who thougth I was lying of omission? Nothing > 3. Give a personal opinion? Nothing > > I imagine how it must be a GB’s job. > “Hey, GB, who wins tonight? Philly or Buffalo?” > GB: “Well, accoriding to this website there a 43.67% chance of Philly winning if they score a running TD after an opponent’s 3-and-out, but this site says that if Buffalo has fewer than 4 punts in thr first half their chance of winning by more than 5 points increase by 23.4%” > ““Dude, Philly or Buffalo, it’s for the office pool”” > “No, it’s an unsicentific way of determining probabilites. Look I have this chart with meta-anaylises from 68 experts that clearly states that there is a high varibility of results with teams that have had losing records in games played in prime-numbered weeks on a Fibonacci series day” > “Man, if oyu don’t want to play, just say so. > No. You are an agent for Big Pool, rejecting clear science”. Oh I see you are whining, sorry if I thought you were admitting that you were not doubling down on telling others that your cites are great and reliable and that you are not a chump from bringing them in. Believe that you are not lying is ok, that we know that your sources lied, that is the important lesson. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/537 "2011-09-17T17:30:36Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Oh I see you are whining, sorry if I thought you were admitting that you were not doubling down on telling others that your cites are great and reliable and that you are not a chump from bringing them in. > > Believe that you are not lying is ok, that we know that your sources lied, that is the important lesson. But still no answer to simple questions. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/538 "2011-09-17T17:34:18Z")
You are not the boss of him ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/539 "2011-09-17T17:37:19Z")
> [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](#): > > But still no answer to simple questions. And those whining questions are not important to the lesson at hand, you have demonstrated a gross ineptitude on recognizing good sites from the bad, if you insist they are the greatest thing after seeing the evidence to the contrary then you are lying in my book if still claim they show what you are right. What is important that even higher ups decided to put even a supporter of yours in a tread titled in part “hypocritical deniers” It was not my idea and if you want to ignore what even thoughtful conservatives are saying, then I have not much problems, as you are getting irrelevant and infamous. ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281/540 "2011-09-17T19:14:59Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > My daughter kept kicking the dinner table really hard. “Careful!” I said. “Your plate is about to fall off the table!” > “Oh yeah?” she said. “I’m skeptical. If you’re so smart, tell me: is it going to fall right-side up, or upside down?” First, the question is will her plate really fall? Why would a vibrating table lead to the plate migrating to the edge of the table? A skeptic might ask that question. Or, even better, say, “Stop kicking the fucking table”, rather than focusing on just her plate. And why wouldn’t everything on the table end up on the floor? Why just her plate? Is this really about the plate? The question about which side would end up where is not the issue. Not in the real world. Your analogy is fail. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hereby-pit-the-gang-of-hypocritical-deniers-debating-gigobuster/595281.md?page=28)