# I hope the next four years can be more inclusive **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 3, 2004, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753 "2004-11-03T14:33:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/21 "2004-11-03T15:59:15Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > I agree that the next four years should be more inclusive. > > Therefore, I’m calling on the Democratic Party to abandon certain positions the American public does not want, and work with the Republicans on matters that concern all Americans. You mean we should abandon the position that homosexuals are human beings who deserve the same rights as heterosexuals because “The American public doesn’t want it?” That, to you. would show “inclusion?” Should we have accepted that America once didn’t want to give black people the right to vote? I do not hold my positions based on what America wants but on what is _right_. Americans are morons. Americans believe in ghosts and angels. Americans _still_ think that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Most Americans would not be able to find either Iraq or Afghanistan on a map, tell you what country they were in or correctly spell “Afghanistan.” Every bit of civil rights legislation in the US has had to overcome a majority that resisted it. If the incumbent powers are wrong, then they’re wrong and it would be equally wrong for those who are right to acceed to them. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/22 "2004-11-03T16:00:21Z")
> [@](#): > > …tell you what country they were in… Continent. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/23 "2004-11-03T16:00:34Z")
Oh come on fellow Dems, We should be inclusive the say way the pubbies were when Clinton was in the whitehouse. You know, when they got a special prosecutor with an unlimted budget to investigate Whitewater and then just let him stay around after that panned out to drag Bill down. Pubbies love to work with us! What some republicans just don’t get is that I don’t want to be included in ‘Putting God Back in the Classrooom’ or ‘Raping the Environment’ or ‘Invading contries becuase my daddy didn’t do it’ or ‘Protecting the rights of the unborn’ or ‘Defending Marriage’. There is not ONE high level Republican who is willing to compromise. GWB surely does not. If you are a Republican and you really want inclusion then tell that GWB, especially when he replaces Rehnquist. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/24 "2004-11-03T16:02:00Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > You mean we should abandon the position that homosexuals are human beings who deserve the same rights as heterosexuals because “The American public doesn’t want it?” That, to you. would show “inclusion?” > > Should we have accepted that America once didn’t want to give black people the right to vote? > > I do not hold my positions based on what America wants but on what is _right_. Americans are morons. Americans believe in ghosts and angels. Americans _still_ think that Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Most Americans would not be able to find either Iraq or Afghanistan on a map, tell you what country they were in or correctly spell “Afghanistan.” > > Every bit of civil rights legislation in the US has had to overcome a majority that resisted it. > > If the incumbent powers are wrong, then they’re wrong and it would be equally wrong for those who are right to acceed to them. Yep this is it in a nutshell. ---
**Author:** ![Bruce\_Daddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/85f322/32.png) [@Bruce\_Daddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bruce_Daddy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/25 "2004-11-03T16:02:08Z")
> [@Left Hand of Dorkness](#): > > I hope I get a magical pony. > > Daniel [Merry early Christmas!](http://members.aol.com/petekavana/img38.gif) You’re not allowed to make me laugh out loud at work anymore, btw. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/26 "2004-11-03T16:02:32Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Continent. Planet! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/27 "2004-11-03T16:05:04Z")
> [@Bruce\_Daddy](#): > > [Merry early Christmas!](http://members.aol.com/petekavana/img38.gif) > > You’re not allowed to make me laugh out loud at work anymore, btw. Thanks, Bruce–first smile I’ve had since last night. Daniel ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/28 "2004-11-03T16:06:49Z")
> [@gobear](#): > > Why bother? Let’s jump to the goal that the Pubs really want–a one-party state with Bush as president for life. Now **gobear** , I think that is a little harsh. I would amend your statement as follows: Why bother? Let’s jump to the goal that the Pubs really want–a one-party state with **a** Bush as president for life. This all about creating a dynasty, there is a factory somewhere churning out Bushes to rule for the next century. I am not sure they are particular about which one holds the job at any particular time. ---
**Author:** ![Syntropy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/65b543/32.png) [@Syntropy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Syntropy)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/29 "2004-11-03T16:07:33Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Therefore, I’m calling on the Democratic Party to abandon certain positions the American public does not want, and work with the Republicans on matters that concern all Americans. What, you mean bend over, shut up, and take it like a good rape victim? ---
**Author:** ![NotMrKnowItAll](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6bbea6/32.png) [@NotMrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotMrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/30 "2004-11-03T16:20:51Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > I agree that the next four years should be more inclusive. > > Therefore, I’m calling on the Democratic Party to abandon certain positions the American public does not want, and work with the Republicans on matters that concern all Americans. > > If you want more inclusion, wou have to be more inclusive yourself. Otherwise, you will be marginalized, like you are now. > > The Democratic Party went from America’s majority party to this sorry state in only a generation. They can turn themselves around again if they want to. But they have to work at it. Spell them out. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/31 "2004-11-03T16:23:39Z")
No. There are some issues that are clear losers, and that lose states and seats for the Democrats. Gun control is one. There seems to be a consensus that the American public has all the gun control they can stand. Pro-gun Democrats are often winners. Howard Dean proved that. Another is welfare. Again, there’s a consensus that it should be used as a bridge to self-sufficiency. When Bill Clinton finally came to this view, it helped him politically. There are more. If the Democrats identify them, and take these issues off the table, they will be on their way to winning again. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/32 "2004-11-03T17:05:33Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > Another is welfare. Again, there’s a consensus that it should be used as a bridge to self-sufficiency. Self-sufficiency is a good idea but the system would have to be fixed first. As it stands, there are too many people who _want_ to be self-sufficient but feel the bureaucracy of public assistance has them trapped. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/33 "2004-11-03T20:50:45Z")
What’s the incentive for me to be more inclusive if George W. Bush will spend the next four years being even more of a right-wing extremist than his last four years? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/34 "2004-11-03T21:05:55Z")
INCLUSIVE!!! :mad: Christonnacructh man, have your heard the GOP and it plans now that the Senate seems even more under their control? They plan on 4 years of entirely running the show their way, and completely ignoring the Dems. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2004, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/35 "2004-11-03T21:18:41Z")
Inclusive? Fuck, man, the Republicans don’t even want to work with _other Republicans_ who don’t toe the party line. You think they’ll give two shits about the Dems? ---
**Author:** ![glee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b5a626/32.png) [@glee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/glee)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/36 "2004-11-04T01:45:58Z")
Does this abrupt change to inclusiveness include any other countries? 😕 ‘Bush extends hand of friendship…’ :wally No, I thought not. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2004, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753/37 "2004-11-04T05:10:05Z")
> [@Mr. Moto](#): > > If you want more inclusion, wou have to be more inclusive yourself. Otherwise, you will be marginalized, like you are now. So, uh, we should stop believing stuff and support all the same stuff you support, and you’ll let us join your reindeer games. I’m sure you realize that if you abandon your platform to be like the other guy, that kind of ruins the point of having a political party in the first place. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-the-next-four-years-can-be-more-inclusive/272753.md?page=1)