# I hope you come out of Iraq alive, but before you do, kindly go fuck yourself. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 26, 2005, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278 "2005-12-26T20:33:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/61 "2005-12-28T15:09:33Z")
This thread is giving me renewed hope for the SDMB. When pathetic worms like **Brain Wreck** and **Der Trihs** spew such ignorant nonsense they should be called out on it by posters of all stripes. It made me very sad a couple years ago when we had multiple instances of posters calling for the deaths of US soldiers and only a couple of us would stand up to them. My hat’s off to **lissener** and other liberal posters who are willing to denounce idiots such as these despite their dissagreement with the war in Iraq. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more of this behaviour. In the meantime, I’m reporting both knuckleheads to the mods for violating the SDMB policy against hate speech. They should both be banned. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/62 "2005-12-28T18:50:41Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > In the meantime, I’m reporting both knuckleheads to the mods for violating the SDMB policy against hate speech. They should both be banned. Typical of the right wing; if someone disagrees, shut them up. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Moto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de0a6/32.png) [@Mr.Moto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Moto)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/63 "2005-12-28T18:56:07Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Typical of the right wing; if someone disagrees, shut them up. Talk all you want, as far as I’m concerned. Your opinions do my side no harm, and do your side no favors. ---
**Author:** ![woodstockbirdybird](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/woodstockbirdybird/32/7905_2.png) [@woodstockbirdybird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/woodstockbirdybird)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/64 "2005-12-28T19:25:08Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Typical of the right wing; if someone disagrees, shut them up. Well, I’m on the left, and I wish you’d shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/65 "2005-12-28T20:12:27Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Typical of the right wing; if someone disagrees, shut them up. Typical of idiots (of any political slant); use cries of censorship when challenged. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/66 "2005-12-28T20:14:10Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Typical of idiots (of any political slant); use cries of censorship when challenged. I wasn’t “challenged”; **Debaser** said he wanted the mods to ban me. Not the same thing at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/67 "2005-12-28T20:30:16Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > I wasn’t “challenged”; **Debaser** said he wanted the mods to ban me. Not the same thing at all. I’m just glad he’s requesting a mere banning and not a vaporization at the hands (pseudopods?) of Martians. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/68 "2005-12-28T20:35:48Z")
Is there a substantive difference between “I hope people of category X get vaporized by martians” and “I’d be perfectly happy if people of category X get vaporized by martians”? While the second formulation seems to just barely stay inside board rules, it pretty clearly violates the spirit of the rules. And it goes without saying that it marks the person who says it as an enormously stupid person. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/69 "2005-12-28T20:51:11Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > And, most of you are already confirmed as being mentally ill, lacking in logic, and possibly even retarded. You obviously hold a heap of contempt for your fellow Dopers. So why do you hang out here? Perhaps you need to get a hobby if you have to slum with the special ed kids for entertainment. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/70 "2005-12-28T21:19:08Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Typical of the right wing; if someone disagrees, shut them up. Hey, we lefties can yell “STFU!!” too when it’s called for, and it sure as hell is in your case. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/71 "2005-12-28T21:34:13Z")
> [@Der Trihs](#): > > Typical of the right wing; if someone disagrees, shut them up. Count me in as another liberal who’d like you to shut the hell up. The thing that annoys me about this whole issue is that the idiots on both sides are feeding off of each other. - Summary of all politics-related threads - Left Wing Moron - The Right all all warmongering, moronic, capatalistic sadists! Right Wing Sane People - Uh…No. You’re an idiot. Here’s some evidence to prove you wrong. Broad brush much? Right Wing Moron - You’re a fuckwit. This just proves the left are all cowardly, weak, foolish hippies. LWM - You called me an idiot! Typical right wingers, always trying to shut us up. And look at that second post! That PROVES I’M RIGHT!! RWM - Jeez, you’re such an idiot. And look at all the left not attacking him. Pathetic hypocrites. LWSP - Uh…Yeah, we are attacking him. He’s a moron, and he doesn’t represent us. RWSP - Yeah, dude, calm the hell down. You can’t label all the left by one guy. LWM - Shut the fuck up, righties. RWM - ! _random obscenities directed at left, ignoring of sane posts_ LWM - ! _random obscenities directed at right, ignoring of sane posts_ LWSP - … RWSP - …beer? LWSP - Sure! - Sadly, the only difference is usually which side the first moron to post is on. ---
**Author:** ![Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4da419/32.png) [@Gala\_Matrix\_Fire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gala_Matrix_Fire)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/72 "2005-12-28T21:43:33Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > **bluethree** , I understand the difference in supporting the troops and supporting the war, and I have no trouble in wanting all our our women and men to return safely. But I want to ask you some questions about your post. > > Did you not find this in people who attended college? > > What about teachers, doctors, social workers, and others who provide a service? > What was it that people in the Army believed in that was greater than themselves? > Do you think this is truer of people in the military service than it is of college students or others in general? > > I can’t think of many jobs where people are as physically well-trained as a person is in the military. But I think that being pushed to one’s psychological limits is a dangerous thing. We have too many that are coming back that have been pushed _beyond_ their limits. > > Why do you take such pride in fighting to defend people’s rights and then have so much disdain for those who disagree with you? \*Did you not find this in people who attended college? \* First of all, I went to a state college, mostly populated by young people who had been pretty apathetic about their entire school careers. So no, I did not find this in people who attended college, not at all. I’m sure there are some out there, though. _What about teachers, doctors, social workers, and others who provide a service?_ Very admirable of them. I would add food servers, cashiers, and lawn maintenance providers to that list of people who provide a service, too. My hat’s off to everyone who makes an honest living. Not everyone can be a surgeon, but it doesn’t mean you have to be a telemarketer. _What was it that people in the Army believed in that was greater than themselves?_ Service. Honor. Country. Being all you can be. I can’t guarantee that everyone felt the same way I do, but most of them seemed pretty honorable to me. Brain Wreck would be an example of someone who completely missed the point. _Do you think this is truer of people in the military service than it is of college students or others in general?_ Yes. A military recruit is saying goodbye to everything he knows and committing himself fully to an entirely new life wherein he is fully responsible and accountable for his actions. He is likely to have leadership responsibilities before he’s twenty years old. He can not have a change of heart and ask mommy and daddy to come pick him up and take him home, and he can’t skip classes when he feels like it, and he can’t take a few months off to find himself, etc. \*I can’t think of many jobs where people are as physically well-trained as a person is in the military. But I think that being pushed to one’s psychological limits is a dangerous thing. We have too many that are coming back that have been pushed _beyond_ their limits. \* That is a terrible shame. It would help a lot if our soldiers were not having to bear all the costs for this war, being denied the chance to get out of the Army or retire on schedule, and being sent into Iraq in such heavy rotation. _Why do you take such pride in fighting to defend people’s rights and then have so much disdain for those who disagree with you_ Let me answer in two parts: 1) I take such pride in serving my country, but I don’t necessarily agree that they should enjoy all the rights they currently enjoy, and 2) my disdain is entirely reserved for the folks like Der Trihs, who unblushingly wish death on American soldiers, and their handmaidens like Brain Wreck, who stop just short of that. I hope this makes sense. I wasn’t able to figure out how to see the parts of my post you quoted in your post. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/73 "2005-12-28T22:17:23Z")
> [@Lemur866](#): > > Is there a substantive difference between “I hope people of category X get vaporized by martians” and “I’d be perfectly happy if people of category X get vaporized by martians”? > > While the second formulation seems to just barely stay inside board rules, it pretty clearly violates the spirit of the rules. And it goes without saying that it marks the person who says it as an enormously stupid person. Then what’s the difference between “I support the war” and “I want to see tens of thousands of civilians die” ? Should everybody who supported the war be banned ? Besides the fact that there are no Martians, but the war _has_ killed tens of thousands; perhaps it’s somehow a less severe offense if you actually kill people. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/74 "2005-12-28T22:18:30Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > This may be the dumbest thread I’ve ever seen. It’s pretty dumb, but it’s far from the dumbest thread I’ve ever seen on the SDMB > [@](#): > > And, most of you are already confirmed as being mentally ill, lacking in logic, and possibly even retarded. If you were, you’d recognize that right or wrong, now that we are in Iraq any active opposition to what we’re doing there is just guaranteed to inflict more harm on the Iraqi people, which makes all of you mini-Saddam Husseins in that you’re just trying to screw over the Iraqi people to score political points against people you dislike back home. I stand corrected. _Now_ it’s the dumbest thread I’ve ever seen on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Floyd\_Remora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@Floyd\_Remora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floyd_Remora)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/75 "2005-12-28T23:19:50Z")
> [@Martin Hyde](#): > > And, most of you are already confirmed as being mentally ill, lacking in logic, and possibly even retarded. If you were, you’d recognize that right or wrong, now that we are in Iraq any active opposition to what we’re doing there is just guaranteed to inflict more harm on the Iraqi people, which makes all of you mini-Saddam Husseins in that you’re just trying to screw over the Iraqi people to score political points against people you dislike back home. **Hammers a ‘do not feed the trolls’ sign into the ground, wanders off** ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/76 "2005-12-29T00:16:48Z")
> [@Only Mostly Dead](#): > > In high school, I had this friend, good guy. Fun to be around, excellent sense of humor. If we can get away from the **Brain Wreck** train wreck… Colour me disappointed. You and this guy are poles apart politically. Last time I checked, America was a free country and he’s free to have opinions with which you disagree. You may not respect his opinions, but you **must** respect his right to hold them. Now, this guy has the courage of his convictions and you’re pitting him for stepping up to the line? I suggest you take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/77 "2005-12-29T00:23:13Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > Colour me disappointed. You and this guy are poles apart politically. Last time I checked, America was a free country and he’s free to have opinions with which you disagree. You may not respect his opinions, but you **must** respect his right to hold them. Sure, but that doesn’t mean he has to respect the opinion itself. > [@](#): > > Now, this guy has the courage of his convictions and you’re pitting him for stepping up to the line? No, he’s pitting him for circulating an offensive, inaccurate, plagiarized hunk of glurge. > [@](#): > > I suggest you take a good long look at yourself in the mirror. I suggest you try re-reading the OP again. ---
**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/78 "2005-12-29T01:55:47Z")
Could we have like a two for one deal here? Bring back **Aldebaran** , and send **Red Shirt** and **Brain Wreck** to the abyss. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/79 "2005-12-29T02:37:04Z")
> [@Yeticus Rex](#): > > Could we have like a two for one deal here? > > Bring back **Aldebaran** , and send **Red Shirt** and **Brain Wreck** to the abyss. Yikes, there’s a Scylla and Charybdis, if I ever saw one. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2005, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278/80 "2005-12-29T03:18:20Z")
**bluethree** , thanks for your responses to my questions. > [@](#): > > …My disdain is entirely reserved for the folks like Der Trihs, who unblushingly wish death on American soldiers, and their handmaidens like Brain Wreck, who stop just short of that. I don’t understand those who would wish death on anyone, and I certainly know what it is like to feel disdain for certain people whose powerful choices I disagree with. Would you change the freedom that **Der Trihs** and **Brain Wreck** have to express their opinions? > [@](#): > > I take such pride in serving my country, but I don’t necessarily agree that they should enjoy all the rights they currently enjoy… Which rights would you change and why? I hope this is not too much of a hijack. I am a pacifist, and I admire people of courage. I would like to better understand a military mind. Your response was very civil and maybe you can explain “woman to woman.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-you-come-out-of-iraq-alive-but-before-you-do-kindly-go-fuck-yourself/337278.md?page=5)