# I hope your baby burns her eyes out **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 1, 2010, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551 "2010-04-01T09:21:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/262 "2010-04-06T20:14:48Z")
Here’s a perfect pic for this thread. Enjoy! [http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/422240048\_182cbf070d.jpg](http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/422240048_182cbf070d.jpg) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/263 "2010-04-06T20:15:13Z")
I’m a little bit in awe of **Frylock** ’s ability to \*not shut up \*while telling us absolutely nothing useful. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/264 "2010-04-06T20:20:17Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Without justifying myself or condemning anyone else regarding parenting, I do want to note that I think there’s a fundamental, possibly unbreachable disagreement between two mindsets going on here. The above quote seems to indicate that **Vinyl Turnip** simply believes that there is no such thing as a permissible case of couch jumping, at all. Once it is describable as a case of “couch jumping” it is, because of that very fact, impermissible. Well as long as we’re speculating what people believe, I believe he believes there _can_ be some instance wherein it is acceptable for a child to jump on a couch, but it would be very rare and bizarre, and more importantly, \*you \*were not in that rare and bizarre situation. You were letting your child be an unruly dick. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/265 "2010-04-06T20:20:27Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > I’m a little bit in awe of **Frylock** ’s ability to \*not shut up \*while telling us absolutely nothing useful. Seriously. After [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12292210&postcount=94), specifically this line: > [@Frylock](#): > > I’ll keep responding to this thread as long as anyone wants me to, but what you won’t get is an explanation. I simply refuse to give one, on principle. I tried to change the topic, as did many others. That was page 2! I figured he’d shut up about it. But every time someone mentions his name it’s like summoning the demon - he shows up again, to justify himself, but not actually tell us anything. It’s like a magic trick. Frylock, you should be a politician! Oh, and couch jumping in your house is your problem and can be good. Couch jumping in public, no good, whatever the magic excuse might be. Grabbing children is also no good. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/266 "2010-04-06T20:24:32Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Seriously. After [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12292210&postcount=94), specifically this line: > I tried to change the topic, as did many others. That was page 2! I figured he’d shut up about it. But every time someone mentions his name it’s like summoning the demon - he shows up again, to justify himself, but not actually tell us anything. > > It’s like a magic trick. Frylock, you should be a politician! > Oh, and couch jumping in your house is your problem and can be good. Couch jumping in public, no good, whatever the magic excuse might be. Grabbing children is also no good. Now wait a minute. In SDMB time it’s been a _long_ time since I posted anything relevant to the couch-jumping topic on this thread. Count the posts. It was _others_ who brought it up repeatedly. I didn’t respond because there wasn’t anything to add. But then there _was_ something to add upon **Vinyl Turnip** ’s post (also a case of someone bringing up the topic other than me) so I did respond. It is ludicrous to characterize my participation in this thread the way you just did. I have participated only when specifically invited to, and for the most part for the past couple of days, I’ve done so only explicitly jokingly. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/267 "2010-04-06T20:28:14Z")
Seriously, **Frylock**. At this point what do you think the chances of you saying ANYTHING that will succeed in making you look better in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/268 "2010-04-06T20:29:02Z")
I’m going to piss on every kid I see, just in the hope that it belongs to **Frylock**. Literally pissing. In public. Just whip the pants off, knock the little sucker to the ground with 'em, and squat over the kid’s face. Then, when the parent challenges me, I can tell them that they can’t tell me what to do, because for all they know their kid was on fire. Because, hey, that’s inside the realm of possibility, right? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/269 "2010-04-06T20:30:07Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Seriously, **Frylock**. At this point what do you think the chances of you saying ANYTHING that will succeed in making you look better in this thread? Does it appear to you that that has anything to do with my motivations for participating? ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/270 "2010-04-06T20:30:12Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Now wait a minute. In SDMB time it’s been a _long_ time since I posted anything relevant to the couch-jumping topic on this thread. Count the posts. It was _others_ who brought it up repeatedly. I didn’t respond because there wasn’t anything to add. But then there _was_ something to add upon **Vinyl Turnip** ’s post (also a case of someone bringing up the topic other than me) so I did respond. > > It is ludicrous to characterize my participation in this thread the way you just did. I have participated only when specifically invited to, and for the most part for the past couple of days, I’ve done so only explicitly jokingly. Mentioning you does not equal inviting you. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/271 "2010-04-06T20:31:15Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Mentioning you does not equal inviting you. Addressing my argument does amount to inviting a rebuttle. As I said, I have _not_ participated every time I was mentioned. I did participate on some occasions in which I was invited to do, however. ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/272 "2010-04-06T20:35:27Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Addressing my argument does amount to inviting a rebuttle. Possibly. However, you _have_ no rebuttal. You are standing firmly on that point! You will not argue your case…except you keep on arguing, and arguing, and arguing, and you have hijacked this thread to hell and gone, and yet still you stand there looking innocent. “What, me? I didn’t do nuffin.” ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/273 "2010-04-06T20:35:56Z")
Then why did you bring it up if you weren’t going to explain it? It’s like if I posted about being rude to someone, assured the rest of the dopers that I had a really good reason but then was all, “No, I don’t need to tell you.” It just looks really odd. Why are you bringing up something that makes you look like a jerk and then refusing to explain why in fact you’re not a jerk? ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/274 "2010-04-06T20:41:06Z")
> [@Freudian\_Slit](#): > > Then why did you bring it up if you weren’t going to explain it? It’s like if I posted about being rude to someone, assured the rest of the dopers that I had a really good reason but then was all, “No, I don’t need to tell you.” It just looks really odd. Why are you bringing up something that makes you look like a jerk and then refusing to explain why in fact you’re not a jerk? Your analogy is a little off. It was more like this: I said one thing, a few people noticed that what I said seemed to presume I’d done something they disagreed with, they requested an explantion, and I refused to explain and told why. They then kept asking, and I kept explaining. In other words, I didn’t post that I was rude and immediately assure people I had a good reason for it. Rather, I posted (in terms of the analogy) that I did one thing, which some people noticed seemed to mean I must have been rude in the process, then they asked for an explanation of _that_ (going off topic in the process) and that’s when I said I wouldn’t be explaining it. Then _I_ was accused of hijacking the thread, when in fact it was others who went off topic. Perhaps I shouldn’t have followed them there, but following into OT land is not “hijacking.” Again, I didn’t “bring it up.” I did mention the incident, but not by way of “bringing it up” but rather simply on the way to making a different point. Then _others_ brought the incident to the forefront, thereby hijacking the thread. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/275 "2010-04-06T20:42:40Z")
But she’s correct in essentials, which is all that matters here. Couch jumping on YOUR couch in YOUR own home is YOUR business. You can do it for fun and profit all you want. You can invite others in and allow them the freedom to jump on your couch with abandon. That has never been the issue. And where did clean socks come into play all of a sudden? You said bare feet before, IMS (I’m not about to search the thread again). Couch jumping in a public place such as a waiting room, barber shop, furniture show room, hotel lobby etc is NOT GOOD MANNERS, regardless of the age of the child, your parenting rules, the presence or absence of socks etc. You’ve been referring to things here jokingly? Really? Like your parenting, I don’t quite see eye to eye on your humor… Enjoy your kids, but if I see them jumping on a couch in public, I will say something to them. Something like, “Knock it off.” You are free to say the same to mine–but you’d never see mine doing something like that. **Labrador Deceiver** : but you did. Posting in a public forum, you are speaking to all readers, not just one in particular (unless you specify, but even then, it’s out there for all to see and comment upon). And you did imply that your kids are quite young (their grandparents are the only other caregivers, they haven’t been around that many social occasions). Wait until you see a nine year old acting atrociously and Mommy or Daddy beaming with pride. Wait until it’s your kid or yourself who is bears the brunt of such bad behavior. Then come back and defend rudeness and poor parenting. Certainly teaching rudeness does not rank up there with physical abuse or neglect, but that’s no excuse. Just so it’s clear, I doubt that anyone in this thread is what I would consider a poor parent. (and my standards are not the world’s which is why we have these threads). I think we all have good days and bad days. But kids learn very quickly just how much they can get away with. They also learn what they live, so if they live in a house where it is acceptable to say “fuck” every other word or yell from room to room, call names or jump on furniture they will bring all of that to the playground/Scout troop/amusement park/mall. And they will learn that such behavior is not OK. Which leaves Mr and Mrs Poor Parent with a dilemma: admit that they have indeed made bad decisions when it comes to discipline OR reprimand the truth teller. Most of them choose the latter. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/276 "2010-04-06T20:43:35Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > Possibly. However, you _have_ no rebuttal. You are standing firmly on that point! You will not argue your case…except you keep on arguing, and arguing, and arguing, and you have hijacked this thread to hell and gone, and yet still you stand there looking innocent. “What, me? I didn’t do nuffin.” You would probably not like to read a post discussing the difference between the couch jumping argument and the couch jumping argument argument so I will spare you. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/277 "2010-04-06T20:47:09Z")
Oh, at this point I don’t really think I care about reading anything from you. I don’t mean, btw, that I am fed up by your posts or irritated…I just really am not concerned. I am amused, if anything, and your last post has me a little bit confused. But I am very good at cultivating a Zen frame of mind. Ommmmmmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/278 "2010-04-06T20:48:03Z")
NM ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/279 "2010-04-06T20:48:57Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Does it appear to you that that has anything to do with my motivations for participating? Thankfully, I cannot comprehend what your motivations might be. The only possibilities I can come up with is that for some reason you wish people to form an unfavorable opinion about you, or that you are deriving some sort of pleasure from how you are conducting yourself. Maybe both. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/280 "2010-04-06T20:49:44Z")
> [@Frylock](#): > > Do they say Om in Zen? I’m a Hindu. 🙂 And I mix and match my philosophy. ---
**Author:** ![Frylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@Frylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frylock)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2010, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551/281 "2010-04-06T20:51:02Z")
> [@Anaamika](#): > > I’m a Hindu. 🙂 And I mix and match my philosophy. Just throw some tobasco over it once you’re done and the mix will always come out right. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-baby-burns-her-eyes-out/534551.md?page=15)