# I hope your stroller gets a flat.
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [March 24, 2005, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104 "2005-03-24T23:05:48Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/41 "2005-03-25T20:35:36Z")
I’m looking for a low and slow mod to my kidarooz stroller. Maybe trick it out with some spoilers, getting it bagged, and having it chromed out. You up for it **THespos**?
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### Author:  [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/42 "2005-03-25T20:39:09Z")
> [@Hamlet](#):
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> I’m looking for a low and slow mod to my kidarooz stroller. Maybe trick it out with some spoilers, getting it bagged, and having it chromed out. You up for it **THespos**?
Oh! Oh! And some of those “spinner” hubcap thingies that make the wheels look as if they are still moving when at rest. Yeah!
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### Author:  [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/43 "2005-03-25T20:44:20Z")
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> Oh well, if they’re annoying Dooku on the bike trail, it’s one less child screaming in the theater or restaurant where I am.
Release the hounds!!
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> Hey, that’s mine! We got it at Costco because, in addition to fitting two kids, it also can attach to our bikes (sorry Dooku) and has a ton of storage, so it helps with carrying things. It can be a bit bulky, but we try and do our best to keep it out of other people’s ways.
Hey, as long as you’re moving along on your bike and trying to get out of the way, no problem.
And sadly, I do not believe that **shelbo** was whooshing us.
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### Author:  [@THespos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/THespos)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/44 "2005-03-25T20:47:09Z")
> [@Hamlet](#):
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> I’m looking for a low and slow mod to my kidarooz stroller. Maybe trick it out with some spoilers, getting it bagged, and having it chromed out. You up for it **THespos**?
Sure. And if you call now and ask for Angela, we’ll send you a free “Type R” sticker.
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### Author:  [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/45 "2005-03-25T21:13:31Z")
> [@fessie](#):
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> Well, how’s about a big fuck you to all the inconsiderate, selfish, Lance Armstrong-wannabees who think their precious time trials are being disrupted by people using PUBLIC PARKS for purposes that do not involve high-speed travel?
I’m not talking about a public park. I’m talking about a multi-use trail designed specifically for exercising. Its sole purpose is high-speed travel. If you are out there in your double-wide-fuck-you stroller, it is YOU who are inconsiderate and selfish.
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> Well, you may have noticed that we live in what is called a society in which we are all members (though some are more “memberish” than others). Some of us, at any given point in time, are in a position of having more resources than we need, while others are just a bit short on some want or another. So if you’re in the nail polish aisle with empty arms and time to spare while someone else is struggling, you damn well ought to offer your assistance.
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> And why is that?
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> Because back when you were still sucking on your mom’s tit, you can bet your ass people helped her with a door, a package. People looked the other way when your drippy diapered butt impeded their travel. People smiled with understanding when you screamed like in the grocery store. How soon we forget that we were all once dependents, and will be once again. It won’t be long before you’re drooling and wearing diapers again, only this time you’ll be complaining about inconsiderate young’uns who move too fast for you.
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> And I can tell you for fucking sure that raising kids is the hardest job most people will ever encounter. If you haven’t done it and don’t want to, fine, but don’t be such a harsh judge of those who do. It’s nowhere near as easy as it looks.
Thanks for hammering home **Binarydrone** ’s point:
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> You see, the very fact that someone has seen fit to grace this sad little planet with the fruit of their loins by definition makes them more important than you (or me). Any inconvenience that we suffer as a result, while regrettable, simply is not important. So sorry.
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### Author:  [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/46 "2005-03-25T21:17:01Z")
So what about all the inconveniences you generate by virtue of your existence?
Oh, that’s right, you’re perfect ::rolleye with finger down throat::
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### Author:  [@Rhiannon8404](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhiannon8404)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/47 "2005-03-25T21:28:50Z")
I just wish they’d have “Stroller-free Day” at the mall once a month. Also at Disneyland.
I’m a mom who’s pushed a stroller in her day, but never once did I ram it into someone’s heels to get them to move along. This has happened to me a couple of times at the mall and most recently at Disneyland.
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### Author:  [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/48 "2005-03-25T21:29:17Z")
> [@Dooku](#):
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> I’m not talking about a public park. I’m talking about a multi-use trail designed specifically for exercising. Its sole purpose is high-speed travel.
[From the International Bike Fund’s **User Guidelines For Multi-Use Trails**](http://www.ibike.org/education/trail-sharing.htm):
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> Trails (or paths) for non-motorized use have become very popular resulting in congested and potentially hazardous situations. Regardless of whether you are bicycling, walking, jogging, or skating, if you follow the same set of rules as everyone else, your trip will be safer and more enjoyable.
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> Help make the multi-use trails safe for everyone by using the following guidelines:
> Be Courteous.
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> All trail users, including bicyclists, joggers, walkers, wheelchairs, skateboarders, bladers and skaters, should be respectful of other users regardless of their mode, speed or level of skill.
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> \
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> Have You Outgrown Trails?
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> Trails have engineering and design limits. If your speed or style endangers other users, check for alternative routes better suited to your needs. Selecting the right location is safer and more enjoyable for all concerned.
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### Author:  [@5que](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/5que)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/49 "2005-03-25T21:35:31Z")
> [@Barbarian](#):
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> Ditto for the double-long.
Hey, I like the double-dong.
What?
Oh, well then,
Never mind.
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### Author:  [@Emony\_Dax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emony_Dax)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/50 "2005-03-25T21:43:44Z")
**fessie** said:
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> stuff
Thank you, **fessie**. If it’s any comfort to the “child free” folks, please know that, at times, you and your sense of entitlement to “being left alone and un-annoyed” is just as annoying to me as my family is to you. Contrary to opinions I see expressed at times, people do not reproduce for the sole purpose of irritating others. And sadly, since I _do_ have a family and the attendant obligations, I will not be able to revisit this thread over the weekend. I will be too busy scheming of new ways of sneakily ramming my jogging stroller (I think that’s what you’ve been seeing, **THespos** ) up onto pedestrians’ ankles. Have a lovely Easter weekend.
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/51 "2005-03-25T21:57:52Z")
> [@fessie](#):
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> [From the International Bike Fund’s **User Guidelines For Multi-Use Trails**](http://www.ibike.org/education/trail-sharing.htm):
You don’t think that last bit about outgrowing a trail doesn’t apply to doublewide strollers?
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### Author:  [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/52 "2005-03-25T22:00:34Z")
Please disregard that “don’t”.
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### Author:  [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/53 "2005-03-25T22:12:59Z")
My double-wide stroller fits through a typical doorway, with maybe an inch to spare. Aren’t most wheelchairs about that same width? Doesn’t the ADA require accessibility for the disabled? If there’s space for them, there’s space for me & my twins. Would you rather have them walking loose on the trail in their unpredictable, stumbling way?
I’m not campaigning for the right to impose my children on everyone, everywhere. We choose “family-style” restaurants, usually at off-peak hours & we don’t let them run around among the tables. I don’t take them to concerts or movies. We get in and out of the library pretty quickly.
But I’ll be damned if some snotty biker is going to make me feel guilty for not taking a ruler to the park so I can be sure I’m not infringing on his space during the eighteen nanoseconds when our paths cross. It’s all I can do to get these two kids and myself out of the house for some fresh air and exercise - the last time we went to the park district’s kiddieland, it was sans shoes b/c I couldn’t find 'em & didn’t want to waste time looking.
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### Author:  [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/54 "2005-03-25T22:20:23Z")
**fessie** , I have to as this, from a "please fight Binarydrone’s ignorance perspective; is there some advantage to a double wide stroller? I have seen the two seat strollers that have one in front of the other, and find that they are much less of a hassle to deal with. What, in short, is the straight dope?
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### Author:  [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/55 "2005-03-25T22:33:24Z")
Actually I have 4 strollers - two lightweight single strollers that I bought new at ToysRUs for $20 ea, a lightweight Costco double-wide that a friend gave me because she’d bought a new one, and a stadium-style seating double (the Graco DuoGlider).
My Costco double-wide is light and easy to collapse, and when it’s in my car trunk I can still carry other items. It’s best for mall trips, doctor visits, and quick errands. With twins I absolutely must to have a way to transport them both.
I usually use my DuoGlider when I go for walks in the neighborhood or daylong trips such as to the zoo. It weighs twice as much and takes three times as long to collapse, but does hold a lot of gear underneath. Also, with one kid seated in front of the other, I sometimes run into problems with chair kicking & hair pulling.
The two single strollers are fun when my sister & I take them out. We have races.
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### Author:  [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/56 "2005-03-25T22:46:44Z")
> [@Binarydrone](#):
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> **fessie** , I have to as this, from a "please fight Binarydrone’s ignorance perspective; is there some advantage to a double wide stroller? I have seen the two seat strollers that have one in front of the other, and find that they are much less of a hassle to deal with. What, in short, is the straight dope?
We have a two-seater(actually a “sit n stand” with one place for small child and another for a toddler who just isn’t quite up to long walks to stand on or sit). I don’t care for it because it extends the center of gravity too far forward(away from the handle) and is difficult to steer or lift the front wheel to avoid sidewalk cracks or other bumps in the road. Single strollers, and a friend’s double-wide, were much easier to maneuver because the center of gravity was closer to the rear wheels and the front wheels could be moved and steered easier. Going up even a single step is quite frightening with a double-long stroller where the weight is mostly in the front. It puts a lot of stress on the frame.
Enjoy,
Steven
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### Author:  [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/57 "2005-03-25T23:02:04Z")
> [@](#):
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> So what about all the inconveniences you generate by virtue of your existence?
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> Oh, that’s right, you’re perfect ::rolleye with finger down throat::
Let me see if I’m following your argument:
Me “Your damn double-wide stroller does not belong on the small multi-use trail by my office, as it completely block the trail in both directions.”
You: “You’re inconsiderate and selfish for travelling at such high speed in a public park!”
Me: “It’s not public park; it’s a multi-use trail specifically designed for high-speed travel, and if you’re blocking the entire trail, you’re the inconsiderate one.”
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You: “Yeah, well YOU’RE inconveniencing ME in other aspects of life! Oh wait, no you’re not, cuz’ you’re PERFECT! NYAH!”
I see a disconnect there. I noted it with an ellipsis.
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> But I’ll be damned if some snotty biker is going to make me feel guilty for not taking a ruler to the park so I can be sure I’m not infringing on his space during the eighteen nanoseconds when our paths cross.
Are you admitting that if it were you with your double-wide that was blocking the ENTIRE TRAIL you would have no qualms whatsoever about doing so? I’m not talking about using a ruler here - re-read my post - the double-wide stroller TOTALLY BLOCKS the trail in both directions. If you are, in fact, admitting that you wouldn’t care about doing so: congratulations! You personify every single parental entitlement stereotype being discussed here.
> [@](#):
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> Trails (or paths) for non-motorized use have become very popular resulting in congested and potentially hazardous situations. Regardless of whether you are bicycling, walking, jogging, or skating, if you follow the same set of rules as everyone else, your trip will be safer and more enjoyable.
>
> Help make the multi-use trails safe for everyone by using the following guidelines:
> Be Courteous.
>
> **All trail users, including bicyclists, joggers, walkers, wheelchairs, skateboarders, bladers and skaters, should be respectful of other users regardless of their mode, speed or level of skill.**
>
> \
>
> Have You Outgrown Trails?
>
> Trails have engineering and design limits. **If your speed or style endangers other users, check for alternative routes better suited to your needs.** Selecting the right location is safer and more enjoyable for all concerned.
Bolding mine
Did you post this to refute me? Because it does nothing but solidify my point.
Oh, by the way, your \ from that link was rather vital to my point, so I can understand why you left it out. Here, let me add it back in for those following along:
**[Don’t Block The Trail.](http://www.ibike.org/education/trail-sharing.htm)**
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### Author:  [@gotpasswords](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gotpasswords)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/58 "2005-03-25T23:04:58Z")
A “Bugaboo Frog” sells for $729? The classic English Balmoral Pram can be yours for a mere $2800? W T Freaking F!?
That’s more than my first CAR cost, and it had an engine!
How about we pit the people that make, sell and buy these things?
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### Author:  [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/59 "2005-03-25T23:14:00Z")
But if it’s so narrow, how does your big fat head fit?
I’d continue this discussion, but I’m going out w/some friends. For the 4th time in the past year, I’m going to spend some time out, on my own, no kids, no husband, no diapers, no bottles, no being thrown up on, pooped on, etc. for 3 whole hours! Whoopeee!
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### Author:  [@TheLoadedDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TheLoadedDog)
#### Post date: [March 25, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-hope-your-stroller-gets-a-flat/296104/60 "2005-03-25T23:19:50Z")
> [@gotpasswords](#):
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> A “Bugaboo Frog” sells for $729? The classic English Balmoral Pram can be yours for a mere $2800? W T Freaking F!?
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> That’s more than my first CAR cost, and it had an engine!
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> How about we pit the people that make, sell and buy these things?
Agreed. My young bloke had a shitty old stroller that you would have been lucky to get ten bucks for. Still, it did the job.
I guess the folks who pay nearly three grand for a stroller might have to go without their pet’s psychotherapy sessions for a week or two, or some other inconvenience to pay for it. Or maybe not. Sickening.
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