# I joined, and pledged support to Yes California today. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467 "2016-11-11T04:44:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/501 "2016-12-16T13:53:15Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Grossly misleading. > > But if it was true, and Russia got their man elected POTUS… > > Facts. > > Louis Marinelli was born in New York. He’s a US citizen. > He ran for the CA state assembly last summer, and got 6.4% of the vote. He ran the 80th district, San Diego, etc. He did not run from Russia, he ran from San Diego. > He’s in Russia, now teaching English. Poor guy has to work for a living. > He’s married to a Russian woman. Ask Trump about that. (Yugoslavia) > He’s been a proponent of a separate California since 2014, long before the national nightmare occurred. > > Oh, and water… > > Arizona just got fucked for water. Seems they agreed to forgo their share or grossly limit it if there was a shortage in the Colorado basin. And guess what. > I’m writing this as it’s pouring rain, expected to rain for the next 12 hours too. We get our water, mostly from the Sierra snow pack. Nothing changes if CA is part of the US or not. If California is so magnificent you’d think the head of the pro-secessionist movement might be able to find a job in state. I’m sure, they need English teachers somewhere in California. Would be fun to see, if California ever did secede, how’d they deal with Russian, American, and Chinese hacking and influence. ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/502 "2016-12-17T04:53:35Z")
California has Silicon Valley. The question is how the U.S. would cope if a separated California withheld IT products and services from them for whatever reason. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/503 "2016-12-17T05:11:48Z")
I don’t mind someone traveling to Russia, getting married and then getting a job there while the wife and kids get visas, but he lost me at right wing. Let’s just stay in the US and be a total liberal pain in the ass. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/504 "2016-12-17T07:26:25Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I don’t mind someone traveling to Russia, getting married and then getting a job there while the wife and kids get visas, but he lost me at right wing. **Let’s just stay in the US and be a total liberal pain in the ass.** This is the right attitude. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IucC4TEoKM4) The idea that we would just flee and let the troglodytes have an easy life after all the grief they’ve put us through? down with #Calexit on with #Calexodus It’s past time we exported our liberalism to the smaller neck beard states, take their senators, take their congressional seats, create city within those state borders seeded from California liberal stock. I want us all to become a liberal virus that converts the rotting husks of conservative empty space into a thriving liberal metropolis. And we’ve got the numbers, we just have to figure out the magnet that will draw some of here to the dirt patches of the earth and terra form them into a place human beings actually want to congregate in and live like we have on the left coast. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/505 "2016-12-17T07:53:56Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > I want us all to become a liberal virus … California already is that. It’s incredibly common for people in inland Western states to complain about dumb Californians moving to their state and ruining it. I’ve personally heard it in Idaho, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/506 "2016-12-17T08:00:28Z")
> [@Salvor](#): > > This is the right attitude. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IucC4TEoKM4#t=21m50s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IucC4TEoKM4#t=21m50s) > > The idea that we would just flee and let the troglodytes have an easy life after all the grief they’ve put us through? > down with #Calexit > on with #Calexodus > It’s past time we exported our liberalism to the smaller neck beard states, take their senators, take their congressional seats, create city within those state borders seeded from California liberal stock. > > I want us all to become a liberal virus that converts the rotting husks of conservative empty space into a thriving liberal metropolis. And we’ve got the numbers, we just have to figure out the magnet that will draw some of here to the dirt patches of the earth and terra form them into a place human beings actually want to congregate in and live like we have on the left coast. Go forth and multiply! It might do you all some good. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/507 "2016-12-17T11:06:38Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > What is threatened is California’s ability to dictate to Alabama. Does California do a lot of dictating to Alabama right now? Cite? Was your some sort of parody of Know-Nothing thought? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/508 "2016-12-17T12:49:52Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > California already is that. It’s incredibly common for people in inland Western states to complain about dumb Californians moving to their state and ruining it. I’ve personally heard it in Idaho, Colorado, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona. And you **HD** , cite the fly over states for a review of California’s contribution? Remember, Trump’s demographic was with non-college educated white men. Not exactly the upper half of the intelligence bell curve are they? California has led the nation in many things. Political, social and economic. California led the nation in clean air legislation. That legislation has worked, and worked well. California leads the nation in private sector job growth. California was the first state in the nation to adopt efficiency standards for appliances in 1977. Florida, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, and other states followed suit. Californians believe that global warming is a real concern, according to a recent survey by the Public Policy Institute of California. Three in four Californians agree that global warming will have serious effects on the state’s economy and quality of life. Your incoming president has yet to understand the water cycle, let alone global warming. California Continues Leading The Nation On Climate Change Policy With 50% Renewable Energy Proposal being considered. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/509 "2016-12-17T16:48:16Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > snip > California led the nation in clean air legislation. That legislation has worked, and worked well. > > snip > > California was the first state in the nation to adopt efficiency standards for appliances in 1977. Florida, Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, and other states followed suit. > > snip I wouldn’t brag about that either **Morgenstern**. It seems to me that if you look too deeply into the results of those laws, all they really do is shift the polluting from one area to another, both geographically speaking and in reference to the manufacture/distribution/use chain of whatever item, sometimes resulting in worse pollutants, sometimes more of the same pollutants but in a different area of the country, being introduced into the environment. **Salvor** just please don’t. We’ve already had enough (as noted by HurricaneDitka) Your metropolitan liberal utopia is an overcrowded hell of noise, pollution, rudeness, piss-poor driving, self-centered, self-satisfied, ignorance where I can’t see the stars at night because of the light and smog pollution. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/510 "2016-12-17T17:24:01Z")
> [@guestchaz](#): > > I wouldn’t brag about that either **Morgenstern**. > It seems to me that if you look too deeply into the results of those laws, all they really do is shift the polluting from one area to another, both geographically speaking and in reference to the manufacture/distribution/use chain of whatever item, sometimes resulting in worse pollutants, sometimes more of the same pollutants but in a different area of the country, being introduced into the environment. > … And CA will continue to fight for the environment while West Virginia mines coal and increases the carbon footprint. Would you believe California is the top solar state, followed by Arizona. With 16.460 GW of capacity, California ranks #2 in renewable energy resources. Provide a cite please that CA is transferring pollution to other areas. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/511 "2016-12-17T17:40:17Z")
> [@guestchaz](#): > > I wouldn’t brag about that either **Morgenstern**. > It seems to me that if you look too deeply into the results of those laws, all they really do is shift the polluting from one area to another, both geographically speaking and in reference to the manufacture/distribution/use chain of whatever item, sometimes resulting in worse pollutants, sometimes more of the same pollutants but in a different area of the country, being introduced into the environment. > **Salvor** just please don’t. We’ve already had enough (as noted by HurricaneDitka) Your metropolitan liberal utopia is an overcrowded hell of noise, pollution, rudeness, piss-poor driving, self-centered, self-satisfied, ignorance where I can’t see the stars at night because of the light and smog pollution. If I ever find out the state/city you live in, I am going to personally visit and direct that location as the first spot of the invasion for #Calexodus The loss of stars at night is tragic, but we’ll bring advanced VR headsets to give an even better view, something more akin to the dark side of the moon. I cannot WAIT to reshape this entire nation! ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/512 "2016-12-17T20:17:29Z")
bwaaaahhhhahahahahahahah feel free to find out, its right there in my profile. We’ve already been subject to a Californian Exodus, which is still going on to a lesser degree than in the past. Haven’t seen any improvement to the area yet and a decline in the driving skills and politeness of the population in general in addition to increased traffic and a pretty serious decline in air quality, which was never good to begin with due to generally prevailing winds and being at the head of a valley which traps all that stuff. Not to mention an increase in crime. We can still see most of the stars at night. Keep your vr headset, I prefer to see them for real thank you. Still waiting for the good stuff all y’all keep promising. The reception to the califonian exodus was less than warm last time it was going strong. I wonder what it would be like now. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/513 "2016-12-17T22:19:47Z")
Meh. You’re going to have light pollution around any large metro areas. I live on the Monterey peninsula for years and saw stars and you can go out in the east, or drive up a mountain and see tons of stars if that’s what you want. At least California has jobs. Idaho? Uh, yeah. Stars at night and no jobs. Well, I guess you guys have potatoes. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/514 "2016-12-17T22:40:41Z")
How 'bout you Californians let us worry about the jobs in our own states and can this whole #CalExodus idea? We don’t want you here, and you don’t want to be here. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/515 "2016-12-17T22:48:37Z")
And we’re sick of subsidizing you. Work harder on those jobs so we don’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/516 "2016-12-17T23:16:23Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > And we’re sick of subsidizing you. Work harder on those jobs so we don’t have to. It’s funny that the poorest of poor in California, not saying that’s you, can make the claim that “they” are subsidizing someone like Warren Buffet because the aggregate in California is paying a bit more into the federal budget than Nebraska. That’s straight up illogical. ---
**Author:** ![Salvor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Salvor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Salvor)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/517 "2016-12-18T00:09:51Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > How 'bout you Californians let us worry about the jobs in our own states and can this whole #CalExodus idea? We don’t want you here, and you don’t want to be here. You are right on both accounts, but since too many states are flooded with duck dynasty stock, we have to bring civilization to the empty plains of this nation. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/518 "2016-12-18T00:16:13Z")
eh, at the rate that all but the largest companies are moving out of California for surrounding states, including, notably, Idaho, California probably wouldn’t have to worry about that much longer if the trend were to continue long enough (probably won’t though) Idaho had the largest job growth in the nation from March 2015 to March 2016. But, folks, we digress from the OP, and I apologize for that. I didn’t really intend to return to this thread, let alone hijack it, as it had gone circular in the original discussion of the OP. Indeed I thought the thread had expired of natural causes before someone revived it. I now bow out and return you to the originally scheduled thread. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/519 "2016-12-18T03:48:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > It’s funny that the poorest of poor in California, not saying that’s you, can make the claim that “they” are subsidizing someone like Warren Buffet because the aggregate in California is paying a bit more into the federal budget than Nebraska. That’s straight up illogical. No one said that. Not even close. California is a donor state, meaning it pays more to the feds that it receives back from the feds. Other states, like Mississippi are just the opposite, they take more than they contribute. Warren Buffet isn’t a state last time I checked. That said, California would survive just fine without the US, whereas the US will suffer a big dent in their revenue structure if California left. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2016, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/520 "2016-12-18T04:29:28Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > And CA will continue to fight for the environment while West Virginia mines coal and increases the carbon footprint. > > Would you believe California is the top solar state, followed by Arizona. > > With 16.460 GW of capacity, California ranks #2 in renewable energy resources. > > Provide a cite please that CA is transferring pollution to other areas. Oh goodness. This is too easy. Does California buy electricity generated from out of state? Does California import billions of dollars of manufactured goods from China? Does California import agricultural and fish products from other nations and states? Does California have the largest population of drivers and most miles driven? Does California have a large porn industry that produces thousands of movies each year degrading women? Well if yes to any of the above California spreads its pollution. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=27)