# I joined, and pledged support to Yes California today. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467 "2016-11-11T04:44:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/41 "2016-11-11T16:59:45Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > _So, why should we keep subjecting ourselves to presidents we play no role in electing, to 382 representatives and 98 senators we can’t vote for, and all the government officials and federal judges appointed by those very same people we don’t elect._ > YesCalifornia. > > We can’t help but do better. Why should people in Santa Barbara have to subject themselves to… however many members of the CA legislature don’t represent Santa Barbara? ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/42 "2016-11-11T17:02:21Z")
Trump and conservatives in Congress might be pleased at the prospect of eliminating California’s 245,000 federal jobs. No doubt the new Republic of California can readily replace them.\* > [@Wolf333](#): > > This is just as stupid when it’s a non-Texan saying it. Yep. So much for “liberals don’t secede”. \*you might be able to join the EU. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/43 "2016-11-11T17:04:54Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Why should people in Santa Barbara have to subject themselves to… however many members of the CA legislature don’t represent Santa Barbara? Not so. California legislators will represent ALL Californians. All Californian’s will have a vote in every representative elected. Don’t confuse this with county or city government, which will still apply at that level. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/44 "2016-11-11T17:14:26Z")
Every legislator will be elected on an at-large basis? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/45 "2016-11-11T17:14:26Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Trump and conservatives in Congress might be pleased at the prospect of eliminating California’s 245,000 federal jobs. No doubt the new Republic of California can readily replace them.\* > Yep. So much for “liberals don’t secede”. Seriously. California is a donor state, paying 16 billion per year in taxes more than it receives back from the government. California’s future (independent) budget, absent military expenditures, donations (foreign aid) to other countries, maintaining foreign embassy, etc., will be in the black. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/46 "2016-11-11T17:16:48Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Every legislator will be elected on an at-large basis? \*When California becomes an independent country, or perhaps during the process of becoming an independent country, the people of California will choose the type of government system we want to have. Will we have a democratic-republic like the United States with a president and a bicameral legislature, or will we establish for ourselves a parliamentary republic with a prime minister and a parliament? Possibly, with all our ingenuity and imagination, we can craft an entirely unique system of governance. However, these are questions to be decided by future elections, not by this independence referendum. \* YesCalifornia ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/47 "2016-11-11T17:46:23Z")
> [@Dahnlor](#): > > First, we need to take Oregon and Washington with us. Deny the USA its entire Pacific coast (aside from Alaska). We’ll need Hawaii, too, and then commandeer the entire US Pacific naval fleet, making us a superpower. > > Then we will need Nevada, too, or at least Hoover Dam. > > Then we invade Arizona. > > It will be glorious. They’ll need OR and WA just for the water pipelines they’ll have to build, which will create thousands of jobs. Then we take over Alaska, deport all the assholes (which will seriously and significantly lower the population), and build another water pipeline. Then sell the excess to AZ at exorbitant rates. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/48 "2016-11-11T18:03:48Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Secession is impractical for myriad reasons, lack of military being one of them. But I’d love to see this come to a vote as a Brexit-esque non-binding referendum, just to make a statement to the rest of the backwards, racist, sexist, red-state run USA. California’s National Guard is the largest in the country, and Guardsmen swear an oath of loyalty to the state (govenor?). The US military as been relying heavily on the Guard and Reserve lately so I’m sure they’re quite well trained and equipped. The president could tell them they are now under his command, and I guess they’d have to choose. But yes, California has quite a military, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e19adc/32.png) [@Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/49 "2016-11-11T18:23:02Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Maybe, maybe not. But CA is typically a left leaning republic as it stands. 60/40. That’s all it will take. It’s not about having your cake and eating it too. We’re paying for way more cake than we’re eating here. We just want to keep California cake in California. Um, dude? QUEBEC. The most left-leaning province in Canada. Instituted $5/day public daycare 20 years ago. Seriously, this argument has been going on here for decades. We have had two referendums on the matter, and on this page alone you’ve repeated multiple Parti Quebecois arguments that have failed to convince anyone. Form of government TBD? That’s been PQ policy. It doesn’t convince skeptics. Will use home country’s current and passport: Doesn’t convince skeptics. Military not needed? Doesn’t convince skeptics. In all honesty, if you want to succeed, you could at least read what’s been done in every other region that has tried to separate and fail. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/50 "2016-11-11T18:49:25Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > I am in Nevada and I do, as do many others. Being “in” Nevada doesn’t make you a Nevadan. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/51 "2016-11-11T19:22:50Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > We won’t lose our US citizenship.We will have dual citizenship . > [@](#): > > Travel will be as it is now. Citizens of California will enjoy dual citizenship. Yeah, this is a fun thread. But this is also the SDope. A place where folks are s’posed ta be kinda smart. So you need to keep your fantasies logically consistent. But this idea of dual citizenship is as illogical as those whackos who claim to be “Sovereign citizens” and “freeman-on-the-land”. “Yeah, we are citizens of the the USA, but not bound by its laws or its President.” But I do like the idea of “The Peoples Democratic Republic of California”. Gosh, it would be real easy to make their flag—just a square of cloth colored with solid blue. ---
**Author:** ![Amateur\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/59ef9b/32.png) [@Amateur\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amateur_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/52 "2016-11-11T20:15:08Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > How long before Northern California would decide to split from Southern California? Forming the Republic into three or four states is no big deal and would cure a lot of the inequalities and friction. I’d likely move back under the native-born clause. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/53 "2016-11-11T20:19:15Z")
Any talk of secession is just yellow bellied, whiny-assed idiocy. (yes, I am Californian and voted democrat) There will be no secession. Californians are Americans. Americans live in a democracy. In a democracy, sometimes the other guy wins. We get another shot in 4 years. Until then, let’s all put on our big boy pants and learn to deal with it. ---
**Author:** ![turner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/22d042/32.png) [@turner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/turner)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/54 "2016-11-11T21:48:37Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Will their also be a unicorn for each citizen? And a warm puppy. don’t forget the warm puppy…and the blankey! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/55 "2016-11-11T21:55:43Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > Yeah, this is a fun thread. > But this is also the SDope. A place where folks are s’posed ta be kinda smart. > > So you need to keep your fantasies logically consistent. > > But this idea of dual citizenship is as illogical as those whackos who claim to be “Sovereign citizens” and “freeman-on-the-land”. > “Yeah, we are citizens of the the USA, but not bound by its laws or its President.” > > But I do like the idea of “The Peoples Democratic Republic of California”. Gosh, it would be real easy to make their flag—just a square of cloth colored with solid blue. It apparently has something to do with Chapter 11 of the United Nations charter and the US being a signatory to that charter. And something else to do with states retaining all rights not given the US by the Constitution. So it appears it’s quite possible. It really might be up to the voters in 2019. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2016, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/56 "2016-11-11T21:56:45Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Any talk of secession is just yellow bellied, whiny-assed idiocy. (yes, I am Californian and voted democrat) > > There will be no secession. Californians are Americans. Americans live in a democracy. In a democracy, sometimes the other guy wins. We get another shot in 4 years. Until then, let’s all put on our big boy pants and learn to deal with it. Are you as sure of that as you were that Hillary would win? ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/57 "2016-11-12T00:23:10Z")
The Supreme Court ruled just after the Civil War that secession without the “blessing” of the federal government is illegal. As for “dual citizenship,” what stops the USA government from demanding its full share of federal income tax? It doesn’t matter where you live, or where you made your money; you’re a citizen. And as for California’s military, does anyone honestly think that the first thing the USA government would do is demand that all of its weapons and ammunition, right down to the last .30-caliber bullet, be given back? Remember, it was the Confederates occupying Fort Sumter that started the Civil War. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/58 "2016-11-12T01:27:23Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > I’m trying to imagine the wall Trump will build between California and the rest of the USA. He would need one, too, considering all of the people fleeing that failed nannystate trying to sneak back into a country without power blackouts and tax day IOUs. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/59 "2016-11-12T01:46:32Z")
Y’all might want to place a couple of phone calls to some people in the South Eastern part of the United States and ask just how well the idea of succession worked for them. (Hint: not very) With the California gun laws if the succession gets ugly what are you going to fight with? Bongs and dildos? Also you want to give Gov. Moonbeam and the legislature an EXTRA 16 billion dollars to waste? Christ the Gov is already building a high speed Cho-cho to no where. With an extra 16B they will probably try to extend the Cho-cho to Hawaii. I don’t know what the Yes California people are smoking, but it must be some GOOD shit. ---
**Author:** ![AngelSoft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angelsoft/32/440_2.png) [@AngelSoft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AngelSoft)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/60 "2016-11-12T02:08:25Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > They’ll need OR and WA just for the water pipelines they’ll have to build, which will create thousands of jobs. Then we take over Alaska, deport all the assholes (which will seriously and significantly lower the population), and build another water pipeline. Then sell the excess to AZ at exorbitant rates. Hey don’t forget Christmas trees. Us here in Oregon are like the Christmas tree capital of the US. Can’t have Christmas without us! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=4)