# I joined, and pledged support to Yes California today. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467 "2016-11-11T04:44:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1061 "2017-01-31T01:13:33Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > It’s actually embarrassing to think that there are people out there that are so stupid that they think that state can secede and survive. Please do not appear to personalize derogatory comments in this fashion. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Phrozen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/22d042/32.png) [@Phrozen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phrozen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1062 "2017-01-31T01:28:00Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I do dig through your posts trying to to find legitimate questions and comments you might have hidden in there somewhere. In the event I do find one, I try to answer it. If I don’t, I just move on. Hey, what about my question? What’s plan B? What will CalExit (or you) do when the rest of the US refuses to pass your Amendment? I’ve asked this question, a very reasonable one, several times, and you have not responded. Should I conclude that plan B is open revolt? Meekly disbanding? Whining on line? ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1063 "2017-01-31T01:38:34Z")
Assuming it turns out to be something that Californians are actually serious about, then plan C: keep trying. See Catalonia and Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1064 "2017-01-31T02:23:38Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > . . . > How much of CA’s power and water come down from Oregon and Washington? . . . . And Colorado. I recall seeing a repeat of “the AG has authorized it”. The AG’s office has checked the application forms, and they were filled out correctly. That’s all the authorization that has been done. There will be no further effort put into the matter until all of the signatures are in. Then, and only then, will someone start thinking about whether or not the proposition is legal. No sense wasting time and money on something that might not come up with the signatures. To me, there’s a significant similarity between Calexit and Trump’s Executive Orders. They’re both government by tantrum. ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1065 "2017-01-31T03:46:08Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Going to war to prevent secession today is madness. YOu worry about the country disentegrating if we allow secession, but a war to prevent it would bring about that very disentegration. As well as set our country back a century. > > In all likelihood, Republicans would simply see that as wonderful. No California means near permanent GOP majorities and a GOP lock on the White House, especially since a lot of Californians(mostly white) would probably leave. Ideally, we invite any Californians who want to remain in the US to cross the border for the first 180 days, and then any Californians who stay are stuck with it forever. The price of their secession could be an immigration ban, even. I would agree with this, but when the Republicans realize that Hawaii, the northwest, the northeast and mid-atlantic states will be the next to leave and their GOP kingdom will eventually end up consisting of only some plains, midwest, and southeast states (making them the #15 economy) they may have second thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1066 "2017-01-31T05:17:17Z")
> [@Phrozen](#): > > Hey, what about my question? What’s plan B? What will CalExit (or you) do when the rest of the US refuses to pass your Amendment? > > I’ve asked this question, a very reasonable one, several times, and you have not responded. Should I conclude that plan B is open revolt? Meekly disbanding? Whining on line? Just a minute. I’ve got a call in to the Psychic hotline to get you an answer. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1067 "2017-01-31T05:20:42Z")
No state is going to secede. You heard it from me first. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1068 "2017-01-31T05:28:20Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > California has so much debt that the economy would collapse the minute we kicked their asses out of the US. Once you are gone, you get no $ when we crank up the US Currency printing presses, which that state has been sucking on like a newborn on it’s mother’s tit. > It’s actually embarrassing to think that there are people out there that are so stupid that they think that state can secede and survive. Opinion and confusion. Where to start. _California had the nation’s 11th highest long-term state debt in 2013_ CA’s GDP was 2.448 trillion USD for 2015. It’s debt is estimated to be between 30 and 400 billion. Totally manageable. Your point fails. Once CA is gone, it can continue to use US currency, just like, well, quite a few places on earth. For example, Ecuador, East Timor, El Salvador, Marshall Islands, Micronesia, Palau, Turks and Caicos, British Virgin Islands, Zimbabwe all use US dollars. Your point fails. Or, it could print it’s own currency. We have presses here. really. And your final fail point is CA will survive. With a 2.5 trillion GDP and the worlds 6th largest economy, CA will easily survive without the US. Unfortunately, the US may not survive without the 13% CA contributes to it’ budget. But then, maybe if your president paid his taxes… ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1069 "2017-01-31T05:36:51Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > No state is going to secede. You heard it from me first. Stick to picking lottery numbers. ---
**Author:** ![Phrozen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/22d042/32.png) [@Phrozen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phrozen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1070 "2017-01-31T07:53:18Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Just a minute. I’ve got a call in to the Psychic hotline to get you an answer. If you don’t know, you don’t know. What would _you_ do? You’ve got all this nonsense about the UN and Trump and Texas v White and evil Americans crushing your nascent non-violent society, but not a plan B? Seems like that would be pretty important, given how much you seem to care and the long-shot of this all happening. Honest question, then, how is this whole thread not a gigantic troll? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1071 "2017-01-31T13:18:19Z")
> [@Phrozen](#): > > If you don’t know, you don’t know. What would _you_ do? You’ve got all this nonsense about the UN and Trump and Texas v White and evil Americans crushing your nascent non-violent society, but not a plan B? Seems like that would be pretty important, given how much you seem to care and the long-shot of this all happening. > > Honest question, then, how is this whole thread not a gigantic troll? He didn’t come up with plan A so I don’t see why you guys expect him now to spell out plan B. Why is it “pretty important”? If this doesn’t work they’ll just try again in 2 years or it’ll fizzle out. It’s silly to expect Morgenstern to lay out some insurgency plan or crazy scheme to trigger a constitutional convention. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1072 "2017-01-31T13:46:36Z")
> [@Phrozen](#): > > Honest question, then, how is this whole thread not a gigantic troll? Please do not appear to accuse other posters of trolling. [/ moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Phrozen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/22d042/32.png) [@Phrozen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phrozen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1073 "2017-01-31T16:06:32Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > He didn’t come up with plan A so I don’t see why you guys expect him now to spell out plan B. Why is it “pretty important”? If this doesn’t work they’ll just try again in 2 years or it’ll fizzle out. It’s silly to expect Morgenstern to lay out some insurgency plan or crazy scheme to trigger a constitutional convention. My question was what he would do or want to do. Seems pretty reasonable to me. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1074 "2017-01-31T16:18:26Z")
Wow, over 1.000 posts and this thread is still going? Can’t wait to see if the CA Lemming Society has the wherewithal to really keep pushing this. Or. at what embarrassing stopping point will they relent? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1075 "2017-01-31T16:18:45Z")
> [@Phrozen](#): > > My question was what he would do or want to do. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Well, he’s just a voter who’s happy he gets to vote on this. He’s clearly not some constitutional expert or political strategist. It’s not super reasonable to expect him to have plan B ready. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1076 "2017-01-31T16:35:09Z")
> [@UberArchetype](#): > > Wow, over 1.000 posts and this thread is still going? Can’t wait to see if the CA Lemming Society has the wherewithal to really keep pushing this. Or. at what embarrassing stopping point will they relent? So much butthurt here. I suspect it’s from feeling helpless under the reign of Donald the First. In other news, Trump elevates Bannon to senior adviser. What could possibly go wrong? Another reason to move to CA and get the fuck out of the reach of the orange buffoon. ---
**Author:** ![UberArchetype](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/2bfe46/32.png) [@UberArchetype](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UberArchetype)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1077 "2017-01-31T18:53:11Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > So much butthurt here. You will find determining my butt status much easier by first removing your proboscis. ---
**Author:** ![Phrozen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/22d042/32.png) [@Phrozen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phrozen)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1078 "2017-01-31T19:14:59Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Well, he’s just a voter who’s happy he gets to vote on this. He’s clearly not some constitutional expert or political strategist. It’s not super reasonable to expect him to have plan B ready. (shrug) I’m not exactly asking for the details on the mobilization TOE schedule for the California Volunteers. “We’d fight” or “we’ll try again” or something was what I was hoping for. Bone: my apologies. It’s frustrating being ignored and then getting only such an absurd non-answer. Won’t happen again. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1079 "2017-01-31T21:23:55Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Another reason to move to CA and get the fuck out of the reach of the orange buffoon. That might make sense if there was even the slightest possibility of California leaving the rest of the country. In fact, it’s about as likely to elect Trump as Governor as it is to exit the US. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1080 "2017-02-03T14:58:30Z")
> [@FavreCo](#): > > California has so much debt that the economy would collapse the minute we kicked their asses out of the US. Once you are gone, you get no $ when we crank up the US Currency printing presses, which that state has been sucking on like a newborn on it’s mother’s tit. > It’s actually embarrassing to think that there are people out there that are so stupid that they think that state can secede and survive. California’s state debt is a little under 7% of its GDP. That’s about mid-pack versus other states and a fraction of the federal debt as a percentage of GDP. As for dependence on “US Currency printing presses,” California is a net donor state. None of which means I don’t think CalExit is a ridiculous idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=55)