# I joined, and pledged support to Yes California today. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467 "2016-11-11T04:44:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/121 "2016-11-14T14:06:28Z")
"Hey, US! We’re going to take away your ability to project force in the Pacific while removing 2.5 trillion of economic activity. But, seriously, is it OK if our guys can still remain citizens? Kthxbai!" ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/122 "2016-11-14T15:16:05Z")
> [@Xema](#): > > If California undertakes to secede without armed conflict, there’ll have to be negotiation. This must certainly include compensation for federal assets that RofCA wants to take with it. > > CA has more National Parks, Monuments, Historic Places, etc. than any other state. There are many thousands of square miles of National Forests. All these should command fine prices. I think Yosemite National Park alone should not go for less than, say, $160 billion - ten times that annual tax amount. > > Otherwise, break out the bongs and dildos. The bong comment really makes me laugh. California has a 31 BILLION dollar a year marijuana crop, _much of which_ is exported to other states. Look to your left, now to your right, those are bongs my friend, and they are burning California weed. That 31 billion isn’t counted in CA’s GDP **yet**. It will be soon enough though, because growing is legal and taxable (in CA) starting in 2018. Expect that amount to increase considerably with all the “grass roots” farmers taking part in this new part time earning opportunity. The tax you’ll (consumers) pay (15%) for this crop will add greatly to our state’s coffers. So yes, we’ll laugh at the bong comment, we laugh all the way to the bank. The vote is going to happen. It’s going to happen in early 2019. Wasn’t all that many years ago I thought things like a racist maggot headed to the white house, or legal marijuana would never come our way either. Times change, people change. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/123 "2016-11-14T15:22:31Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > "Hey, US! We’re going to take away your ability to project force in the Pacific while removing 2.5 trillion of economic activity. > > But, seriously, is it OK if our guys can still remain citizens? > > Kthxbai!" Because projecting forces in the Pacific is so necessary. Those people in Easter island, and the Kwajalein atoll are planning an imminent attack of Oregon for the lumber to make rafts to sail against the US. And North Korea is about to attack California because they want to flank South Korea’s rear. Yeah, you got a point. PS no one is suggesting the US move it’s bases from CA anymore than England is suggesting the US move it’s bases out of England. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/124 "2016-11-14T15:28:59Z")
There’s Hawaii. There’s Alaska. Yes, Morgernstern, projecting force in the Pacific is necessary _as we have Pacific States and Territories that are not part of the contiguous 48_. ~California dreamin’ ~ ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/125 "2016-11-14T15:34:18Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > We won’t lose our US citizenship. We will have dual citizenship as we live in the Republic of California. We will continue using the US dollar unless and until we vote on vote on creating a new currency. California is currently a donor state, paying more to the Federal government than it receives each year. > [@buddha\_david](#): > > Don’t forget Colorado, we need to secure the Colorado River watershed. I think they have oil sands, too. this just shows how impulsive, immature, and poorly thought out this “movement” is. “We’re going to leave the union! but somehow keep our US citizenship! And… uh… take the other states we need with us!” “Yes California” should really be titled “California doesn’t like you so we’re talking our bat and ball and leaving.” all this election has shown is that as a society, we are collectively a horrendously _ugly_ people. we just take turns at being the ugliest from time to time. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/126 "2016-11-14T16:19:06Z")
This has become more of a debate than what should be in MPSIMS. Since this is about a future ballot referendum it belongs in Elections rather than GD. Moving it now. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/127 "2016-11-14T16:33:18Z")
It’s more of a parody thread than anything. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/128 "2016-11-14T17:34:09Z")
There was a petition in the wake of the U.K. Brexit result for London to [declare itself independent from the U.K. and apply to join the European Union](https://www.change.org/p/sadiq-khan-declare-london-independent-from-the-uk-and-apply-to-join-the-eu). I signed it. Since Brexit, my sense of identity, in order of priority, is something like this: 1. Liberals/progressives wherever they may be 2. The world 3. London 4. Europe 5. Scotland (Scotland voted to stay in the E.U. and I had a Scottish grandmother) 6. The U.K. I feel disgusted and ashamed by my fellow countrymen and women and it will take a long time, if ever, for me to take pride in my nation again. Any people that would make a repugnant cretin like Nigel Farage (Brexit orchestrator and smiling face of neo-fascist bigotry) happy are no people of mine. According to U.K. P.M. Theresa May, I am a Nowhere Man: “If you believe you are a citizen of the world, you are a citizen of nowhere”. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/129 "2016-11-14T17:55:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > PS no one is suggesting the US move it’s bases from CA anymore than England is suggesting the US move it’s bases out of England. Are you aware that there was a serious debate about Britain moving its military bases out of Scotland had Scotland declared independence? In what way do you think that EXACT SAME DEBATE was not applicable to the question of whether the U.S. would maintain military bases in California? By the way, in terms of negotiating position, its rather foolish to, on one hand, tell the United States that it doesn’t need bases on “your” territory, and then on the other hand also argue that the U.S. has no reason to move bases out of “your” territory. Sending clear messages to fellow sovereign countries that you wish to maintain good relations with is an importance practice to start working on. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/130 "2016-11-14T18:04:38Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > The vote is going to happen. It’s going to happen in early 2019. Wasn’t all that many years ago I thought things like a racist maggot headed to the white house, or legal marijuana would never come our way either. Times change, people change. That’s great and it will have as much effect as the petitions for Texas to secede that were floating around when Obama took office. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/131 "2016-11-14T18:43:17Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > That’s great and it will have as much effect as the petitions for Texas to secede that were floating around when Obama took office. Yep. Just sheer silliness. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/132 "2016-11-14T19:25:43Z")
California already has a [National Anthem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoA_zY6tqQw). ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/133 "2016-11-14T19:53:48Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > That’s great and it will have as much effect as the petitions for Texas to secede that were floating around when Obama took office. DC just overwhelmingly voted to become a state! Are we free yet? ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/134 "2016-11-15T00:47:52Z")
Doesn’t want the USA involved with California except to provide free military protection and free trade. Oh, and citizenship. > [@](#): > > The vote is going to happen. It’s going to happen in early 2019. Do you really fail to understand how the process works? It isn’t up to your state. California does not have the power to make such a choice. Your vote is irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/135 "2016-11-15T01:01:11Z")
> [@Bear\_Nenno](#): > > Your vote is irrelevant. Why yes, that is part of the issue. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/136 "2016-11-15T01:10:51Z")
This is a ridiculous idea. It very fairly belongs in the stupid democratic idea thread. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/137 "2016-11-15T04:09:43Z")
Where are y’all going to get your water? ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/138 "2016-11-15T04:15:09Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Will their also be a unicorn for each citizen? Indeed there will be. A pink one! Sadly, also invisible. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/139 "2016-11-15T05:37:31Z")
> [@ruadh](#): > > Arguably, anyone who was born in what was part of the United States _at the time they were born_ would remain a US citizen by virtue of the 14th Amendment. And their post-secession California-born children would have the same entitlement to US citizenship as the children of US citizens born anywhere else in the world do now. But the idea that future Californians without that kind of link to the US would automatically have dual citizenship seems unlikely to me. far as I can tell, post secession born children in the People’s Democratic Republic of California would NOT automatically be US citizens by virtue of parental dual citizenship. It’s not in the 14th Amendment, so please tell me where to find it? By-the-by, I am corrected, the citizens of PRoC (pre rebellion) would indeed retain US citizenship, a meaningless title as they most certainly would not easily, if at all, be allowed into the US, nor would they, as citizens in rebellion and insurrection, be allowed to vote. ---
**Author:** ![DorkVader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/73ab20/32.png) [@DorkVader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DorkVader)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2016, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/140 "2016-11-15T05:42:53Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Where are y’all going to get your water? To add to this, what happens when the transmission lines for the power-grid are physically cut? I don’t know if CA is an importer or exporter of electrical power over-all [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=8)