# I joined, and pledged support to Yes California today. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 11, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467 "2016-11-11T04:44:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 73
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1441 "2017-04-18T06:47:38Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I don’t know what has happened to the money. I’m sure there’ll be an honest accounting of how they spent the funds forthcoming any time now. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1442 "2017-04-18T13:51:58Z")
I wonder if any of the Calexit proponents who were talking about this like it was a done deal will be back to comment on the latest development? Dude made some serious bank from Russia for stirring up the ‘movement’, I’ll give him that. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1443 "2017-04-18T14:14:05Z")
I find it amazing that anyone was even bothering to pay attention to this “movement” any more. Last report I read said that they didn’t have anything like the number of signatures they needed, the effort was decidedly unorganized, and since California dissidents are divided up into factions, some wanting to elect pro-secessionist politicians instead, and some simply wanting the age-old goal of dividing California up, the chance of something unified proceeding was pretty small. Never ceases to amaze me how many people get caught up in idealist dreams like this… ---
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1444 "2017-04-18T15:51:24Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think a CA secession is incredibly unlikely to happen, but if liberal Californians were to do something like this, then they would be at least partially responsible for a lot of bad things that would subsequently be more likely happen to various minority groups in the rest of the country, IMO. I hope they would consider all the harm to gay, Hispanic, Muslim, black, trans, and other Americans that would be more likely to occur in an America without California before they were to go forward with such a move. Or are they responsible for all the harm done to [insert group name here] that live in the state because they are subject to laws made partially by the evil racists in the other states. I’m sorry but this argument is lacking. Assuming Californians are all advocates of thriving minority groups (a point I seriously doubt) wouldn’t it be better if they had no input from -ists in backward regions and created a liberal utopia? That way all the disenfranchised could just take a dirty carbon burning bus to the border of Cali, then hop on the High Speed Railway to paradise. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1445 "2017-04-18T18:24:15Z")
Bwahhahaha. The founder of Yes California quit so he could… wait for it move to Russia. [Link](http://www.yescalifornia.org/louis_marinelli_farewell_statement). > [@](#): > > As I have stated in the past, I do not wish to live under the American flag. I do not wish to live under the American political system or within the American economic system. Regardless, I had long planned to eventually return to occupied California and struggle for her independence from the United States so we could build the kind of country that reflects our progressive values. However, while my frustration, disappointment and disillusionment with the United States remains, these feelings now point me in a different direction. I have found in Russia a new happiness, a life without the albatross of frustration and resentment towards ones’ homeland, and a future detached from the partisan divisions and animosity that has thus far engulfed my entire adult life. Tee hee. This is just funny on so many levels. I wonder what progressive values he thinks Putin has… Slee ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1446 "2017-04-18T18:26:59Z")
Well, it’s true that there are no partisan divisions in Russia since Putin has killed or imprisoned all of his opposition. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1447 "2017-04-18T18:43:32Z")
Marcus Ruiz Evans, the initiative’s official proponent, [has written the CA secretary of state to request that the initiative be withdrawn](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/exit-calexit-california-secession-initiative-folds.html). ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1448 "2017-04-18T18:52:12Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Bwahhahaha. > > The founder of Yes California quit so he could… > wait for it > move to Russia. > > [Link](http://www.yescalifornia.org/louis_marinelli_farewell_statement). > > Tee hee. > > This is just funny on so many levels. I wonder what progressive values he thinks Putin has… > > Slee Think morgenstern will ever come back to this thread? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2017, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1449 "2017-04-18T19:53:02Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > Bwahhahaha. > > The founder of Yes California quit so he could… > wait for it > move to Russia. > > [Link](http://www.yescalifornia.org/louis_marinelli_farewell_statement). > > Tee hee. > > This is just funny on so many levels. I wonder what progressive values he thinks Putin has… > > Slee Well, our President thinks Putin’s great… But seriously, what’s so funny? Russia’s basically playing all the angles over here, sometimes to get a manipulable buffoon like Trump elected, and other times just to sow division and confusion. And it wouldn’t surprise me if this is just one more piece of that pattern. ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2017, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1450 "2017-04-22T03:58:36Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Well, our President thinks Putin’s great… > > But seriously, what’s so funny? Russia’s basically playing all the angles over here, sometimes to get a manipulable buffoon like Trump elected, and other times just to sow division and confusion. And it wouldn’t surprise me if this is just one more piece of that pattern. I suspect the reason I find it funny and you don’t is that I don’t, like many posters on this board seem to do, believe that most Americans are stupid. My personal belief is that something like 10 to 15% of any given population is stupid and/or nuts. Given the media situation we find ourselves in where we have 24x7 news that has to be filled, the nuts and idiots get way more press than they should simply because the various news channels/websites/radio stations need something to air all the time. This, along with a large dose of recreational outrage, leads to stories like this. Slee ---
**Author:** ![That\_Don\_Guy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/that_don_guy/32/538_2.png) [@That\_Don\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/That_Don_Guy)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1451 "2017-05-18T19:24:57Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > Marcus Ruiz Evans, the initiative’s official proponent, [has written the CA secretary of state to request that the initiative be withdrawn](http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/exit-calexit-california-secession-initiative-folds.html). Update: the California Secretary of State’s website reports that the ballot proposition was “officially” withdrawn as of 4/17. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1452 "2017-05-18T19:58:15Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Update: the California Secretary of State’s website reports that the ballot proposition was “officially” withdrawn as of 4/17. Don’t worry. The UN is going to step in and fix everything, because California is still a colony! ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1453 "2017-05-18T20:05:05Z")
I’m really glad I took a look at that article, because I remember all of the ranting (especially by Morgenstern) about how this was driven by the awfulness of Trump, and how the movement was motivated by Californians being too smart to be around the rest of Amercia who voted for Trump. If I hadn’t looked at the article, I wouldn’t have noticed the bombshell that one of the founders of “Yes California” had actually voted for Trump. Yeah, I really don’t expect proponents to come back to this thread. > [@](#): > > But an even bigger problem was that Andrew Marinelli, his partner in founding Yes California back in 2014, decamped to Russia in December… It also came out that Marinelli had himself voted for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1454 "2017-05-18T20:47:05Z")
> [@That\_Don\_Guy](#): > > Update: the California Secretary of State’s website reports that the ballot proposition was “officially” withdrawn as of 4/17. NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo… I wonder if someone will step up and continue this noble effort? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1455 "2017-05-18T22:27:34Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > I’m really glad I took a look at that article, because I remember all of the ranting (especially by Morgenstern) about how this was driven by the awfulness of Trump, and how the movement was motivated by Californians being too smart to be around the rest of Amercia who voted for Trump. If I hadn’t looked at the article, I wouldn’t have noticed the bombshell that one of the founders of “Yes California” had actually voted for Trump. > > Yeah, I really don’t expect proponents to come back to this thread. You mistellend proponent (emphasis aded). ---
**Author:** ![sleestak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/919ad9/32.png) [@sleestak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sleestak)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1456 "2017-05-18T23:14:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You mistellend proponent (emphasis aded). And you spurred the werd mistellend warngly\*. Slee And Aded. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1457 "2017-05-18T23:22:19Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Don’t worry. The UN is going to step in and fix everything, because California is still a colony! Sorry, I read that as colonic. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1458 "2017-05-19T17:40:19Z")
You were right. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1459 "2017-05-19T17:48:43Z")
> [@sleestak](#): > > And you spurred the werd mistellend warngly\*. > > Slee > > And Aded. JFC, that goddam autocorrect is driving me crazy! In what universe is that a “correction”? ---
**Author:** ![NetTrekker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nettrekker/32/2909_2.png) [@NetTrekker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NetTrekker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2017, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467/1460 "2017-05-20T13:15:46Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo… > > I wonder if someone will step up and continue this noble effort? But of course. Let Freedom ring. ‘Calexit’ supporters to take another shot at securing California independence > **[California politics updates: Gov. Brown blasts Trump on climate change, state...](https://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-201705-htmlstory.html#calexit-supporters-to-take-another-shot-at-securing-california-independence)** > > This is Essential Politics, our daily look at California political and government news. Here's what we're watching right now: Gov. Jerry Brown told the Times Wednesday that a decision by President Trump to withdraw from the Paris Accord on climate... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=72) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-joined-and-pledged-support-to-yes-california-today/771467.md?page=74)