Cite? Or is this more like your sovereign citizen income tax theory?
To be fair to Morgenstern, this isn’t really something that needs to be cited - logic would indicate that, if the US needs California more than California needs the US - the US probably isn’t going to let California secede.
Regards,
Shodan
Logic would indicate that this thread should have been closed four pages ago.
But it’s morbidly fascinating to see “leftists” use rhetoric that’s right out of Ayn Rand.
No, logic doesn’t indicate that. Why do you think it would? Just how much CA needs the US needn’t be relevant to the US’s decision about secession.
They’re just celebrating that newly legal weed. But you do need to come down occasionally…
You didn’t even look at that link did you? And did you really refer to the 10th? I thought states’ rights was a “dog whistle?”
how is this evidence of anything other than an over-inflated sense of self-importance?
only 5 of the top 100 shipping ports in the US are in California, and the largest (Long Beach) is only #5.
You can find people in every state expressing that sentiment. Why is CA such a bunch of special snowflakes?
That’s it. This movement is being run by 16-year-olds.
Guess what? Those countries have had some form of federal government or monarchy for centuries. California doesn’t.
what does this have to do with anything? Are we reduced to slogging through a Gish gallop now?
That’s actually incorrect, and almost got a lot of my clients in trouble when they didn’t listen. If you’re a US citizen, you report all income from anywhere in the universe to the IRS. They then - usually, provided an agreement between nations exists - deduct foreign taxes paid. But you must report, and the US has a legal claim to it. It goes with citizenship - the US is one of the only countries that does this… and the IRS is getting more aggressive.
It was 2015 when I got out of the financial industry, and right as I left the IRS was rolling out aggressive policies against US citizens with foreign properties. The penalties for failure to report income & especially property were draconian. The IRS means business on foreign income, especially nowadays.
The notion that it didn’t matter comes from years of IRS neglect. In the past, they didn’t care and let it slide. Not anymore.
IANA financial advisor, this does not constitute advice.
How much California needs the US isn’t relevant. How much the US needs California is going to affect how ready the US would be to let California secede.
Regards,
Shodan
Not having the pay income tax isn’t the same as not reporting income.
Not on this board. I hold no illusions about there not being fellow travelers on my side who have goofy ideas, but I was pretty sure I had figured out all the longtime posters who were among them.
Sorry if I was unclear, you also must pay taxes on the foreign income/property, not merely report it. Foreign taxes paid usually reduce and often eliminate this (the US has lower taxes than many countries).
Failure to do so is a form of tax evasion.
I occasionally catch grief from Dopers for my belief that on a macro scale liberals exhibit the same problems as conservatives. Threads like this one and this one are a good example of why I believe so.
You’re absolutely right. I should have gone there and had a good look around before opening my mouth.
That is my point, but I’m not sure what the business taxes have to do with it: most of that economic activity should show up in the paychecks of the people involved in it. California has a lot of high-earning people because they’ve got a lot of people doing work that the market seems to place a high value on. Mississippi doesn’t.
Do enough people retire to Mississippi from elsewhere that it makes them that much more of a recipient of Federal dollars? (If so, why???)
I don’t know about MS specifically, but isn’t it obvious that places with lots of retirees, who are receiving Social Security checks every month and not paying much / any income tax, are going to show up as “recipient states”?
The Confederate states seceded after the election of 1860, not because they lost an election but because of what the election represented to their interests.
Suppose Trump’s administration establishes a clear pattern of behavior that threatens California economic interests, particularly where Silicon Valley is concerned. Suppose further that, Californians, being the most diverse of all the 50 states in country (except possibly for Hawaii) reach the conclusion that the nation’s federal policies on civil rights and immigration are an affront to their values. It is not that difficult to see how some Californians might believe that they have a clear political pretext for secession. I’m not saying I’d agree with it – I don’t for the record – but as this country’s political polemic continues to intensify along the lines of demography and class, we’re going to more and more be like the adult couple that sleeps in separate bedrooms, if not outright separation and divorce.
Call me easily amused, then. It just shows the temptation toward naked self-interest that exists in everyone.
I’m amazed at how utterly clueless you guys are on this topic, even when the information has been presented in this thread over and over. US citizens owe US income tax worldwide under current law. This isn’t some hypothetical made up for this thread, it’s the way things work right now. It’s also kind of funny that you say you’re trying to avoid benefits of US law when you’re talking about how to keep them. Can you at least be consistent?
Secession doesn’t seem to be a ‘win’ for either California or the United States, but perhaps California and certain states could, at some point, ask for (and receive) some degree of semi-autonomous recognition, similar to what exists in China and Russia. Just brain belching at the moment because I have no idea how secession or setting up normalized semi-autonomy would work constitutionally or otherwise, but perhaps that could be the pragmatic median between secession and living in a country that they no longer recognize.