Jeez, dude, you’re actually managing to lose an argument with Shodan? Sad.
6% of California’s energy is produced by coal plants in other states, which produce pollution in those states. If California produced all of its own energy, those other states would be less polluted. Without getting sidetracked into hairsplitting arguments about dictionary definitions, it is clearly true that California is “transferring” the negative consequences of its energy use to other States. It would be much more informative, though, to know whether that figure is increasing or decreasing.
CA didn’t transfer any pollution. It transferred the source of some of its pollution. That’s totally different. Imagine a scenario where a guy, who owns a dog, was shoveling the dog’s shit into his neighbor’s yard every day. The neighbor complains, so the guy trains his dog to shit directly onto his neighbor’s yard. Totally different!!
From another thread, but at least he admits he’s wrong about everything.
Oh, and CA is the only state, as far as I can tell, to set a deadline of 2020 for no more than 3%, and 2026 for 0 % energy from coal. once again leading the way for the nation.
*In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity.1 About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).
Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1
Coal was 33%.
From the EPA, looks like 33% of the US electricity is derived from coal. If CA is imports only 6% of it’s needs from coal, (and legislated to be 0% by 2026) then CA is one of the few doing it right.
This is a warning for personal insults. If you feel you must, the BBQ Pit is right around the corner.
And to everyone else, please try not to make your arguments personal.
again, that doesn’t make California self-sufficient.
you have yet to demonstrate or even explain this. You gloat and gloat about California being a “donor state,” but if California leaves then you’ve just cut your biggest trading partner.
This has been covered many times. California doesn’t need the US, the US needs California. That’s why California pays something like 13 billion more to the feds than it receives from them. CA’s GDP falls between the UK and France, and they seem to well. Yes, CA is in a position to support itself and better provide for it’s citizens.
Our biggest trading partner won’t change. You’ll still want everything CA produces. So will China, Japan, and a long list of other countries. Nothing would change there. In fact, the majority of what the US imports from Asia comes through California’s deep water ports. It would be way more expensive to ship around CA. Nothing will change.
Amazing. California taxpayers keep paying “something like 13 billion more to the feds than it receives from them”, and California voters keep electing the same morons. What a clever system???
When California secedes, the first they should do is annex Mexico. I think the Mexican people could use a break from their own government. But that’s just my personal opinion.
California doesn’t pay anything to the Feds, that’s all individual income tax. And one of the alleged benefits of Calexit is that Californians would keep their American citizenship. But existing law in the US is that Americans owe US income tax regardless of where they live, and CA is not even a country where you can offset your US income tax with that county’s tax. So, in the absence of additional legislation from the US for CA income tax relief, Californians would still be paying just as much US income tax but getting absolutely nothing from the US.
Doesn’t seem like you guys really thought this plan through.
This seems like magical thinking. Perhaps nothing will change, but perhaps a lot will. I’ll tell you one thing that almost certainly will change: pretty much all the defense-contractor work for the US military would have to move to another state thanks to ITAR. For example, this article says there are “26,000 direct and indirect jobs tied to the F-35 program in California”. Most / all of those jobs would dry up / move away in a #CalExit scenario.
What will California do when extradition requests start coming in for felony tax evasion? What about when their bank accounts start getting seized by the IRS?
it’s all magical thinking. California is going to leave the union, but still enjoy the privileges of being in the union. because California is awesome, and we should all fell blessed to kiss its ass.
I guess RoCA would do the same thing England would do if a foreign country started trying to seize their citizens assets, that is, laugh and ignore it. See, that’s the point of being a leaving the union, that is, to tell Uncle Sam that any future request such as this need to be channeled through diplomatic channels.
It is definitely an uphill battle. The US doesn’t want to lose its cash cow that’s for sure. If the US lost CA, NY and FL, the US would be bankrupt in a year. Think of the US as a prison gang, once you get in, they won’t let you out without killing you. Only now such killing would be center stage in the world news. It’s sort of shaping up to be a damned if you do, damned if you don’t thing for the US.
Once again, it’s those privileges of being in that union we want to AVOID. Avoid as on we don’t want them. We can afford to provide better for our own.
We’re not asking you do do anything more than let go. But you won’t, you need California, and two or three other states, because you’re living in a world run by a government that thinks borrowing and mortgaging the future of its children and grandchildren is responsible government. Uncontrolled national debt, seriously, responsible government? 12.5 billion for a new carrier when the ones you already have are financed by an unpaid national debt? This is the kind of utter bullshit CA will avoid with responsible government. If you don’t have the money now, charge it right? When that credit card tops out, get another, then another, then yet another. Absolutely, under no circumstance, learn to live on a budget. We think that’s utter insanity.