# I just do not believe this \[Interview at Non-Kosher Place\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 25, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409 "2009-02-25T19:46:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Noone\_Special](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/noone_special/32/2863_2.png) [@Noone\_Special](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Noone_Special)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/101 "2009-03-01T20:15:25Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Whoa–who are you to decide how other people live or other Jews practice? Hope for what–that other Jews come around to your way of devotion? My eyes are being opened by this thread–it never occurred to me that there could be Jewish people who were as arrogant in their faith as some Christian folk I’ve had experience with. I was wrong. Actually, I have to stick up for **S.M.M.** Much as I disagree with him/her, it’s a fairly common thought among orthodox Jews – that they **quietly wish** others “saw the light” as it were and became what I guess in Christian terms you might call “reborn.” But unlike many vocal Christians at least in the US, these people really do just wish in their heart for other Jews to “come round.” It’s like Christians who quietly deplore the wide-spread prevalence of women getting abortions, but do not picket abortion clinics nor actively try to repeal or otherwise contest _Wade vs Roe_ – they just wish fewer women wanted abortions, and that if it were so, the clinics would close for lack of clientele. It’s a subtle difference, but it’s there. Not that there aren’t asshole “activist” religious kooks here too – but **S.M.M** does not strike me as one of them. ETA: IOW, pretty much what **Captain Carrot** said ---
**Author:** ![Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shinna_Minna_Ma)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/102 "2009-03-01T20:19:10Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > Whoa–who are you to decide how other people live or other Jews practice? Hope for what–that other Jews come around to your way of devotion? My eyes are being opened by this thread–it never occurred to me that there could be Jewish people who were as arrogant in their faith as some Christian folk I’ve had experience with. I was wrong. What’s so arrogant? I said I was hoping. I didn’t say I was for forcing anyone to change. I’m not advocating a theocracy. I’m not into coercion. I’m not petitioning the government to close all the non-kosher restaurants. I don’t throw rocks at cars that travel on Shabbat. I don’t burn bus shelters with pictures of scantily clad women. I don’t advocate for separate seating of men and women on public buses. People are free to do what they want. I just hope. I don’t know where **Fiveyearlurker** went to school, but I would be very interested to know. That was very strange behavior, and beyond any halacha (Jewish religious law) that I know. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/103 "2009-03-01T20:28:04Z")
“Quietly wishing” includes posting on a global message board? Whining about the interview venue when all it would take is a simple redirect? And what is the OP to do is the prospective employer says no, it has to be X place? IMO, the OP’s post and subsequent ones have the tone of a tired prophet, weary of the world’s lack of proper appreciation for The Truth. It grates on me. YMMV. I hope future boss does not insist on a nonkosher place (and I’d like the OP to get the job) but I find the attitude expressed here by the OP distasteful. It sounds petty and rigid to me. I’m left wondering if the OP is very young and therefore not experienced in coping with the world in all its vagaries. And I agree with **Sophistry and Illusion** on this one, but that’s another topic. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/104 "2009-03-01T20:34:59Z")
It seems to me that you cannot value a society in which people are empowered to make their own choices and at the same time idealize a world in which everyone makes the same choice you would. If you value individual choice, then in a “good” society, you will be surrounded by infinite diversity. When I look around and see a world in which different people have made all different kinds of choices about the foods they choose to eat or not, I see a healthy, happy society. I don’t sit here and wish that everyone around me made the same choices as I do. In fact, I believe that I benefit from the failure of people to agree on these kinds of things. In fact, I wish we had even more diversity. In particular, in terms of clothing. People here dress way too much alike. I wish every person in my office or on the street or in businesses or anywhere were drawing from different traditions and different personal decisions when they come to the way they dress. So which is it? It seems to me you have to make a choice. Do you value freedom of choice or do you value your own choices above all? ---
**Author:** ![Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f08c70/32.png) [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shinna_Minna_Ma)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/105 "2009-03-01T20:37:34Z")
> [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](#): > > My impression is that many (or most) move for financial rather than ideological reasons. My impression is also that settlers who move for financial reasons tend not to refer to the West Bank as ‘Judea and Samaria.’ My further impression is that whatever their reasons for moving to the WB, they are an obstacle to peace. > > So before I cry you a river over your Diet Coke lunch, how easy is it for the Palestinian Arabs of the West Bank–I mean, ‘Samaria’–to find halal restaurants in your neighborhood? I’m guessing pretty fucking hard. There are some here for financial reasons, there are some here for political reasons. And it is true, that there are no halal restaurants here. But let’s be fair - I can’t stop in any of the Arab villages and get a kosher schwarma, either. As far as being an “obstacle to peace,” well, obviously I don’t think so. Take a look at my email box, and see the emails I get on a weekly basis. “Avoid the XX Junction, rocks are being thrown at cars.” “Gasoline bottles are being thrown at cars on the highway.” That sort of thing. Look, my daughter’s math teacher’s husband was shot and killed on the road one night by 3 Palestinian “policemen.” The borders of where I live have not expanded in 30 years. People here go to work or school and come home every day. We’re not going out and destroying Arab olive trees. There is an obstacle to peace here, but obviously we don’t agree on who it is. ---
**Author:** ![Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b3f665/32.png) [@Sophistry\_and\_Illusion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sophistry_and_Illusion)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/106 "2009-03-01T20:43:44Z")
> [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](#): > > There is an obstacle to peace here, but obviously we don’t agree on who it is. Because of course it has to be one side OR the other; it can’t be mutual. Whatever, sweet cheeks. I’ll not continue this hijack. But I damned sure don’t have any sympathy for your pissant little complaint, knowing now what I know about you. ---
**Author:** ![ProudlyDefiant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e47774/32.png) [@ProudlyDefiant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ProudlyDefiant)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/107 "2009-03-01T20:43:47Z")
> [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](#): > > It’s not the non-Jewish people I care about. It’s that fact that I hope the Jews here (the vast majority) would become stronger in their faith, and that Israel could become more “Jewish.” IMHO, it means more and makes you stronger in your faith if you are able to avoid temptation while surrounded by it than it does to have had temptation removed from your environment and made unavailable. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2009, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/108 "2009-03-01T20:59:52Z")
Yeah, I thought that was one of the points of fasting-learning to deal with temptation. Oh, and someone wondered if you knew you were being [Pitted](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508574). (Note-I didn’t start the thread) ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/109 "2009-03-02T00:38:27Z")
> [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](#): > > As far as being an “obstacle to peace,” well, obviously I don’t think so. Take a look at my email box, and see the emails I get on a weekly basis. “Avoid the XX Junction, rocks are being thrown at cars.” “Gasoline bottles are being thrown at cars on the highway.” That sort of thing. Look, my daughter’s math teacher’s husband was shot and killed on the road one night by 3 Palestinian “policemen.” The borders of where I live have not expanded in 30 years. People here go to work or school and come home every day. We’re not going out and destroying Arab olive trees. > > There is an obstacle to peace here, but obviously we don’t agree on who it is. And we all know that this violence occurs within a vacuum… I’ll save my future comments for the Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/110 "2009-03-02T05:11:26Z")
> [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](#): > > Because I have his name, and I guarantee with a name like his, he’s got to be Jewish/Israeli. > > I could get something to eat at a kosher Aroma. Lunch in Israel is a very big deal, the main meal of the day. People become atheists, you know. Or convert. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2009, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409/111 "2009-03-02T06:05:27Z")
> [@Shinna\_Minna\_Ma](#): > > There are some here for financial reasons, there are some here for political reasons. And it is true, that there are no halal restaurants here. But let’s be fair - I can’t stop in any of the Arab villages and get a kosher schwarma, either. > > As far as being an “obstacle to peace,” well, obviously I don’t think so. Take a look at my email box, and see the emails I get on a weekly basis. “Avoid the XX Junction, rocks are being thrown at cars.” “Gasoline bottles are being thrown at cars on the highway.” That sort of thing. Look, my daughter’s math teacher’s husband was shot and killed on the road one night by 3 Palestinian “policemen.” The borders of where I live have not expanded in 30 years. People here go to work or school and come home every day. We’re not going out and destroying Arab olive trees. > > There is an obstacle to peace here, but obviously we don’t agree on who it is. Except that according to the UN you are living in an illegal occupation, on someone else’s land…and proclaiming how “peaceful” you are and the poor put upon and oppressed. Yeah - fantastic exercise in double think that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-do-not-believe-this-interview-at-non-kosher-place/487409.md?page=5)