# I just love it when someone kills a legislator!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 5, 2001, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544 "2001-01-05T06:58:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/21 "2001-01-05T10:03:07Z")
You withdraw because you can not defend yourself. Put your dukes up, chortlepup. Fight like the liberated man you are! [http://www.gwbush.com/](http://www.gwbush.com/) ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 10:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/22 "2001-01-05T10:06:04Z")
I withdraw because you bore me. It’s like arguing with a five year old. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/23 "2001-01-05T10:37:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chronolicht \* > **What sort of Libertarian are you? The kind who advocates the liberty to possess handguns? Terminal valves like you always got the HK right at hand. Just make sure that your son doesn’t blow your daughter’s head off while you watch the game. Such an occurence is thousands of times more likely to occur than you pacifically obstructing a home invader’s escape while the police come. Chump.** Are you one of those people who claims that “guns are the biggest threat to our children” when more kids are killed in bicycle accidents or drown in swimming pools? And by the way, you are not “pacifically obstructing” someone if you are using a gun. There’s nothing at all pacifical about threatening to shoot someone if they don’t stay put. ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 11:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/24 "2001-01-05T11:08:09Z")
You don’t perceive a maybe subtle little difference between a bicycle and a handgun? ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/25 "2001-01-05T11:27:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Chronolicht \* > \*\*You don’t perceive a maybe subtle little difference between a bicycle and a handgun? \*\* If you’re careless with either one, very bad things can happen. That, and that _more_ kids (people 18 years old or less) are killed in bike accidents than gun accidents. Guns don’t shoot by themselves. Carelessness and ignorance are the problems, not guns’ existence. Guns are just hunks of metal-tools, really-designed for a specific purpose. Banning guns because kids could get hurt is like banning chocolate because it can make people fat. Wouldn’t it be simpler to just TEACH people to _not_ play with guns or eat chocolate? Everyday I thank god we have a Constitution to settle these arguments. Frankly, I can do without the government telling me how to run my life for the most part. Teaching my kids how to handle my own guns is my responsibility. Everyone else’s kids are THEIR responsibility; not the governments, and not mine. I don’t need the government or people like you telling me what I can do in my own home just because OTHER people are too stupid to keep deadly weapons away from children. ---
**Author:** ![gillygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3e96dc/32.png) [@gillygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gillygirl)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/26 "2001-01-05T11:37:00Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by Lizard \* \*\* > [@](#): > > Everyone else’s kids are THEIR responsibility; not the governments, and not mine. I don’t need the government or people like you telling me what I can do in my own home just because OTHER people are too stupid to keep deadly weapons away from children. \*\* Hum, kid with irresponsible parent finds parent’s gun. Takes it to school. Accidently shoots YOUR kid. Not all that uncommon. Of course you taught your kid to be responsible…but that wouldn’t help him here. Just thinking outloud… ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/27 "2001-01-05T11:38:21Z")
[http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-kellermann.htm](http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-kellermann.htm) Sounds good. Ought to get your own water and electricity, too. ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/28 "2001-01-05T11:42:53Z")
[http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-gunskill.htm](http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-gunskill.htm) That’s easy enough to solve. Just go shoot the irresponsible parents. They deserve it. ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/29 "2001-01-05T11:44:56Z")
Sorry. That was uncalled for. I watched my fourth grade English teacher get killed. I was in the front row. 38 pistol. I have strong feelings about it. ---
**Author:** ![Lizard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@Lizard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lizard)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/30 "2001-01-05T12:03:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gillygirl \* > \*\* > Hum, kid with irresponsible parent finds parent’s gun. Takes it to school. Accidently shoots YOUR kid. Not all that uncommon. Of course you taught your kid to be responsible…but that wouldn’t help him here. Just thinking outloud… > > \*\* Hmm. So lets ban bleach because a kid _might_ find it and drink it. Lets ban plastic bags, because some kid _might_ find one and suffocate. Lets ban pools, because some kid _might_ fall in one and drown. And don’t let media sensationalism fool you. It really _isn’t_ all that common. As for your fourth grade teacher **Chronolicht** , tough shit. My dad was run over by a car, but I don’t go around crusading against the products of the evil Ford Motor Company. I stand by what I said before. Guns are amoral _things_. They are only as “bad” or “good” as the people who use them. A gun by itself would never hurt anyone. It would quietly rust to pieces. ---
**Author:** ![Chronolicht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Chronolicht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronolicht)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/31 "2001-01-05T12:17:43Z")
You are fearful or simple or both, but definitely a mean spirited son of a bitch. [http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-gunskill.htm](http://www.korpios.org/resurgent/L-gunskill.htm) George Bush: Not A Crackhead Anymore ---
**Author:** ![scratch1300](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dfb087/32.png) [@scratch1300](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scratch1300)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/32 "2001-01-05T16:50:08Z")
**Chronolicht** , in previous threads you’ve admitted to repeated instances of snorting cocaine and of driving drunk, so why does the same past behavior of George W. Bush incense you so much? ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/33 "2001-01-05T17:10:58Z")
Ah, Chronolicht. Just keep posting, and soon you’ll have that Jack Dean Tyler lunatic-of-the-month trophy locked up. Do I hear a second? ---
**Author:** ![SCRIMMY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90db22/32.png) [@SCRIMMY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCRIMMY)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/34 "2001-01-05T17:30:20Z")
This Man is my fucking HERO!!! Strong changes in the system require strong words and opinions. I say, declare this man **Emperor** of the US! The public can and will hold him back from going too far over the edge, and his big swingin’ brass balls will put some freakin’ thought back into this country. God Bless America! ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/35 "2001-01-05T17:35:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Lemur866 \* > \*\*Ah, Chronolicht. Just keep posting, and soon you’ll have that Jack Dean Tyler lunatic-of-the-month trophy locked up. > > Do I hear a second? \*\* I dunno…I’m going to campaign for [g]grienspace\*\* It would be a close race… ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/36 "2001-01-05T17:40:33Z")
dammit! preview, preview, preview… Oh, and SCRIMMY, this guy crossed the line when he first opened his mouth. There’s a difference between “strong” opinions and loony ones. Killing cops because they want to put people in jail? C’mon…we’ve got it lucky. Okay, the drug laws are unfair. The “war” against drugs isn’t working. But if someone is trying to break into your house, who are you gonna call? Mommy? ---
**Author:** ![Kyberneticist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kyberneticist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyberneticist)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/37 "2001-01-05T17:46:49Z")
Regarding bicycles vs guns. I have had little success in locating the statistics on the number of guns vs the number of bicycles, the rate of injury when precautions are used (helmets or gun locks), and the actual death and injury rates for bicycles. I did find that motor vehicles are the leading cause of death in children, ages 0-14. (Source: NHTSA Traffic Safety facts) Obviously we can’t reduce speed limits or ban cars. But it is questionable as to whether we are as dependant on guns as we are on cars. Still looking for bike death statistics. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/38 "2001-01-05T17:52:21Z")
Hey, **Chrono** , you’re making my side look ridiculous. Quit it. Oh, and lay off **waterj2**. He’s far, far better at this debating stuff than you, and is a really good guy to boot. (I know you can take care of yourself, **water** , but I wanted to offer some cross-party support. _grin_) ---
**Author:** ![SCRIMMY](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90db22/32.png) [@SCRIMMY](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCRIMMY)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/39 "2001-01-05T17:57:32Z")
I don’t agree with the content (entirely) of this man’s statements. I just admire this guy’s stones. Here’s a guy who wants his opinions heard, because they _aren’t_ safe opinions. I am thankful for the law enforcement our country has. I am not thankful for the attitude our law enforcement has been known to exhibit. Neither is he. But this guy ain’t Dr. Dre; This guy is an elected official. I can’t help but respect the guts it takes for someone in his position to stand behind his whacked-out opinion. I’ve always found it a little unfair that the pissed-as-hell minority just doesn’t get heard. And I don’t mean the folks who throw a fit about morality or something like that. I’m talking about the guys who want to stir up some shit and jostle this country from it’s slow and steady course. We need a spokesperson who’s got a bit more clout that Zak De La Rocha or Jello Biafra ---
**Author:** ![Kyberneticist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dc4da7/32.png) [@Kyberneticist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyberneticist)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2001, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544/40 "2001-01-05T18:02:40Z")
Ah. Found some bicycle death statistics. It appears the claims above are quite inaccurate. 225 children 0-14 died in bike related crashes in 1997 (200 of those deaths due to a motor vehicle, helmet use not factored in). 629 children 0-14 were killed by guns. (NCHS, 1997) This factoid actually drawn from an anti-gun control site. It has been noted that deaths have been lower in recent years (but then, so has gun ownership). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-love-it-when-someone-kills-a-legislator/48544.md?page=3)