# I just saw a Jill Stein Commercial?!?!? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 6, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912 "2016-08-06T06:05:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/21 "2016-08-06T19:07:16Z")
I posted this in the Jill Stein campaign thread, but I have now seen several Jill Stein commercials on MSNBC in Colorado. Most were in the afternoon, but I’m pretty sure I remember at least one in prime time. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/22 "2016-08-06T22:13:56Z")
Colorado makes sense. The Boulder area has lots of Green Party types. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/23 "2016-08-06T22:24:25Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > She raised the money. She may as well spend it. This was probably perceived to be worthwhile for the Libertarian Party long game in general. Wrong party. I’m actually a bit surprised I haven’t seen Johnson/Weld ads – the Libertarian Party is actually in a half-decent position to draw enough NeverTrump GOP votes to help ease their ballot-access hurdles in the next few election cycles. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/24 "2016-08-07T01:55:33Z")
> [@PHGreen](#): > > There are many blacks supporting Jill because of her great policies, she is only asking for a moratorium on GMOs until they are proven safe, think about Monsanto doing all of this. This could be bad. Actually she wants a moratorium on GMOs _and pesticides_ “until they are proven safe”. That’s right. Pesticides. Destroy crop yields in that manner and the price of produce will go sky high as consumption of fresh fruit plummets. Cite: [https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cpdb/pdfs/Gold\_Misconceptions.pdf](https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cpdb/pdfs/Gold_Misconceptions.pdf) See Misconception number 3, p. 15: [INDENT][INDENT]\*\* Misconception 3—Reducing pesticide residues is an effective way to prevent diet-related cancer\*\* Reduction in the use of pesticides will not effectively prevent diet-related cancer. Diets high in fruits and vegetables, which are the source of most human exposures to pesticide residues, are associated with reduced risk of many types of cancer. Less use of synthetic pesticides would increase costs of fruits and vegetables and, thus, likely reduce consumption, especially among people with low incomes, who spend a higher percentage of their income on food.[/INDENT][/INDENT] Don’t get me wrong. Pesticides should be and are regulated. But the sort of crowd pleasing policies that Jill Stein advocates would kill if implemented. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/25 "2016-08-07T02:01:37Z")
That’s the fundamental problem with modern progressivism is that it’s mainly about the interests and fears of yuppies. They’ll be fine if the cost of food goes up. Working class progressivism doesn’t seem to exist anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/26 "2016-08-07T02:03:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > That’s the fundamental problem with modern progressivism is that it’s mainly about the interests and fears of yuppies. They’ll be fine if the cost of food goes up. Working class progressivism doesn’t seem to exist anymore. That is why “modern progressives” yuppies should be purged from the ranks of the Democratic Party like the Trotskyites were from the CCCP and replaced with more level-headed working-class classic social democrats and left-nationalists. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/27 "2016-08-07T02:08:51Z")
Doesn’t work that way in our system though. Parties are who their bases are, and the Democratic Party’s intellectual and donor base is mainly Northeastern and west coast college educated whites, while the Republicans’ intellectual and donor base is mainly southern and western non college educated whites. Although African-Americans and Latinos are important VOTING bases, their influence in the Democratic Party is minimal at this point. Much like Irish and Italians around the turn of the century, they are there mainly to be mobilized rather than to actually set the party’s agenda. For what it’s worth, that is not a stable state of affairs, as Trump’s ascension demonstrates. I believe both parties will look very different in 20 years. We’re in a realigning period. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/28 "2016-08-07T02:58:10Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Wrong party. Oops. Thanks. That was bad. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/29 "2016-08-07T03:51:18Z")
> [@PHGreen](#): > > There are many blacks supporting Jill because of her great policies, she is only asking for a moratorium on GMOs until they are proven safe, think about Monsanto doing all of this. This could be bad. > > Watch this: [https://youtu.be/AnKQJVhIRlk](https://youtu.be/AnKQJVhIRlk) You people piss me off. GMOs have been certified safe; you just don’t want to believe it. It’s easy for you in your first-world, rich nation to avoid GMOs but your backwards, anti-science bullshit causes people to die in poorer nations. For example, [golden rice](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice) could have prevented the deaths of millions over the years but no, anti-science rules the day. The Green Party is even more anti-science than Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/30 "2016-08-07T03:51:30Z")
The Greens certainly need to check their privledge. It’s not just healthy fruits and vegetables that Jill Stein wants to deny the poor. She has small children and people of color in her crosshairs as well. She steadfastly refuses to advocate vaccination and even scare-mongers on the subject, subjecting millions to pain, suffering and death if she attained her political goals. Among vaccine preventable pathologies, tetanus is [has twice the incidence among Hispanics than non-Hispanics](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6012a1.htm). Hepatitus B subjects Asians and Pacific Islanders to [substantially higher risks](http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/Populations/api.htm). In the US, children are most at risk of [Hepatitus A infection](http://www.healthofchildren.com/G-H/Hepatitis-A.html). To be fair Donald Trump spouts [anti-vax nonsense](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/05/donald-trump-is-turning-republicans-into-anti-vaxxers.html) as well, leading mostly [intelligible observer](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19456861&postcount=35) to have difficulty distinguishing between him and Green Party candidate Jill Stein. ---
**Author:** ![Lok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e8c25b/32.png) [@Lok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lok)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/31 "2016-08-07T04:47:45Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > The Greens certainly need to check their privledge. It’s not just healthy fruits and vegetables that Jill Stein wants to deny the poor. She has small children and people of color in her crosshairs as well. She steadfastly refuses to advocate vaccination and even scare-mongers on the subject, subjecting millions to pain, suffering and death if she attained her political goals. > > Among vaccine preventable pathologies, tetanus is [has twice the incidence among Hispanics than non-Hispanics](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6012a1.htm). Hepatitus B subjects Asians and Pacific Islanders to [substantially higher risks](http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/Populations/api.htm). In the US, children are most at risk of [Hepatitus A infection](http://www.healthofchildren.com/G-H/Hepatitis-A.html). > > To be fair Donald Trump spouts [anti-vax nonsense](http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/05/donald-trump-is-turning-republicans-into-anti-vaxxers.html) as well, leading mostly [intelligible observer](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=19456861&postcount=35) to have difficulty distinguishing between him and Green Party candidate Jill Stein. I selected a couple of messages to respond to regarding GMOs and vaccines. Thanks for doing it much better than I could have. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/32 "2016-08-07T05:26:39Z")
I suppose the Greens don’t really want swing states this year. They presumably need to play a long game: They want to build a small party (but larger than it is today) in states that are very, very red or very, very blue. Over time, a larger-than-today Green Party may end up merging with progressive elements of the the Democratic Party. Granted, that “long game” ideally should be over years rather than decades, but if they have to pick states, their best choices are states that are walkovers for a major party this year. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/33 "2016-08-07T05:31:29Z")
I really don’t want to drag this into the Pit, and I don’t know if Stein is anywhere near as bad as some of you claim. But **MfM** & **Deeg** are using the same kind of demonization rhetoric that’s been lobbed at Rachel Carson for decades; so I kind of have to shrug and disbelieve it, don’t I? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 10:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/34 "2016-08-07T10:49:01Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > That is why “modern progressives” yuppies should be purged from the ranks of the Democratic Party like the Trotskyites were from the CCCP and replaced with more level-headed working-class classic social democrats and left-nationalists. Icepicks to the brain for some; tiny American flags for others! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/35 "2016-08-07T12:50:26Z")
I saw the ad twice now, and that was several days ago. I think she’s blown her advertising budget now. She’ll fade back into oblivion now that she’s had her 15 minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/36 "2016-08-07T19:35:11Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > I really don’t want to drag this into the Pit, and I don’t know if Stein is anywhere near as bad as some of you claim. But **MfM** & **Deeg** are using the same kind of demonization rhetoric that’s been lobbed at Rachel Carson for decades; so I kind of have to shrug and disbelieve it, don’t I? Pardon me but that’s lazy thinking. I supplied a Wiki link that gives plenty of background on golden rice and the opposition by anti-GMO groups. I will gladly debate the facts. But you’d rather put your fingers in your ears and ignore it because it has some sort of connection to the criticism of Carson? Say what you want about the anti-science Creationists but at least their ignorance isn’t leading to millions of preventable deaths. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/37 "2016-08-07T20:05:02Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > But you’d rather put your fingers in your ears and ignore it because it has some sort of connection to the criticism of Carson? Well it’s just the sort of thing that people for years have been saying about Mother Theresa, Idi Amin, JFK, Ronald Reagan, Warren Buffett, John von Neumann, and Pol Pot. It’s derogatory! ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/38 "2016-08-07T21:59:02Z")
:dubious: I have a pretty good handle on Pol Pot, I think. I have seen criticisms of Golden Rice as a false panacea. Simply adding beta-carotene to a diet doesn’t justify a high-starch, low-fiber diet based on high-yield cereal staples. Pretending that we live in an anti-science age just because one imperfect technology was not widely adopted is absurd. Favorably comparing YEC to conservationists implies other bad things about you. For now, I am cautiously regarding your opinions as probably merely semi-informed techno-utopian twaddle. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/39 "2016-08-07T22:18:08Z")
How does Stein think that she can get Bernie supporters when the guy she chose to run with her as Vice President, Ajamu Baraka, said: > [@](#): > > In February 2016 during the Democratic Party presidential primaries, Baraka wrote that “\*n this period of media-driven pseudo-opposition in the form of Ta-Nehisi Coates, Beyoncé or even Bernie Sanders, it is increasingly difficult to make the distinction between image and reality, especially when the production of images and symbols is controlled by dominant forces with an interest in keeping us all stupid” In September 2015, he said that “the world that a President Sanders promises—continued war crimes from the sky with drone strikes and Saudi led terror in support of the Western imperial project.” He has referred to Obama and the Sanders campaign as “a tacit commitment to Eurocentrism and the assumptions of normalized white supremacy.” ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912/40 "2016-08-08T00:00:31Z")
Well, he’s not entirely wrong about that. But yeah, it plays to the people who called Bernie a “sheepdog” more than to Bernie supporters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-just-saw-a-jill-stein-commercial/761912.md?page=3)