# I knew Che Guevarra...and Osama Bin Laden is no Che Guevarra...Is he?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [April 23, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701 "2004-04-23T20:48:37Z")
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [June 10, 2004, 11:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/41 "2004-06-10T11:25:58Z")
> [@capacitor](#):
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> It could be worse.
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> It could be more like Frankie Williams against the Iron Sheik.
Frankie Williams=Frankie Knuckles?
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### Author:  [@Carnac\_the\_Magnificent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carnac_the_Magnificent)
#### Post date: [June 10, 2004, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/42 "2004-06-10T13:26:51Z")
> [@Zagadka](#):
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> Well, Marxism _has_ been called a religion. :-p
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> One thing you forget, **Isk** , is that dead revolutionaries aren’t corpses. They are beacons.
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> Che is an interesting point, because he is one of the few people who may have been as dangerous alive as he was dead. In any case, he is now immortalized.
I’d love to hear a fact-driven argument of Che’s presumptive “danger” on the South American continent. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the indigenous people ignored him. Che was a cipher, less than a blip.
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### Author:  [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)
#### Post date: [June 10, 2004, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/43 "2004-06-10T18:39:57Z")
> [@Carnac the Magnificent!](#):
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> I’d lobut the indigenous people ignored him.
“He came to his own, but his own rejected him”, something like that?
I am aware that Il Magnifico is privy to information from the great beyond, so I accept at face value his estimate of the impact of Che on the indigenous population.
so what?
Robin Hood never ran a free breakfast program, but the Black Panthers ran one for him.
If Henry Luce’s(not a fan of revolution, I think) people think Che was one of the 100 most influential persons of the century, [http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/guevara03.html](http://www.time.com/time/time100/heroes/profile/guevara03.html), perhaps it it is time for partner Carnac to project his astral body a little bit further into the ether–
you know, “Where the wild archetypes are,”
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### Author:  [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)
#### Post date: [June 11, 2004, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/44 "2004-06-11T05:06:20Z")
**John Carter** , sadly, you have trumped anything this old leftist can say. I am moved by what you have shared. I’m very sorry.
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### Author:  [@devpow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devpow)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/45 "2011-01-08T03:55:22Z")
> [@alaricthegoth](#):
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> Are we being well governed?
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> The following from todays Times lays out some real world public relations problems that flow from Crawford Regijme policies.
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> ```
> "Even among prosperous, upper-middle-class Saudis it is possible to hear support for such actions, especially after the string of events in the past month with the killing of two Hamas leaders in Gaza and President Bush's endorsement of Israeli plans to keep West Bank settlements and to prevent the long-cherished return of Palestinian refugees to Israel. Often the anger takes the form of endorsing Mr. bin Laden's calls for fighting the Americans.
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> ```
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> “Young people are wearing T-shirts with bin Laden’s picture on them just the way people used to wear pictures of Che Guevara,” said Tufful al-Oqbi, a student at King Saud University. “It’s simply because he is the only one resisting. Even if we reject his methods, it’s because there is no other way, because this is the only way.”
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> Fowziyah Abukhalid, a sociology professor at the university, has noticed a parallel phenomenon among her students. "Many young women are saying `My God, bin Laden is so charming,' or `My God, bin Laden is so handsome,’ " she said. “He is politically appealing, that is why they view him as handsome.”
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> If 'sama looks like Che to these folks, we are in such deep shit…
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> And yet, (right-wing dopers this is for you) can it be that the lesson here is this:
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> The United States has become so widely and virulently loathed, that it is possible for a sizable number of people to confuse a murderous religious zealot with a giant whose sandals 'sama is not fit to unlatch.
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> What do you plan to do, vaporize the entire middle east?
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> Let me quote Oliver Cromwell. (roughly)
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> Bethink ye, gentlemen, by the Bowels of Christ, that ye may be in error!
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> (Maybe the world is trying to tell us something?)
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> (disclaimer:for those literal minded dopers who never heard of Lloyd Bentsen, Dan Quayle, or John F. Kennedy, no, I did’nt really know Che, and no, Che was not a friend of mine, but also, yes, 'sama is NO Che.)
thankyou i needed to read this, after hearing the comparision i was out raged, at least someone else out there has some sense! guevara is a man who fought for freedom and equality. how many speeches has Laden given to the united nations denouncing the apartied in africa and prompting equality for blacks. as far as i know none, and i know guevara has made atleast one, i know this because i have read it, december 11th 1964 in new york to the 19th general assembly of the united nations. why people take such an offencive view of che guevara is beyond me. my best guess is in corect american( and other governments) propaganda and general anti-communism(which i won’t go into). Also che guevara did not commit acts of terror(according to the dictionary: •the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn. Guevara did not use this tactic. Guevara never even targeted civilians! he was a civil fair man! in the failed bolivian campaign(in which guevara was murdered, without a trial, on an order that came from washington) guess how the capture bolivian army soldiers were treated? there were given a nice long speech about the guerrilla movement and asked to join(which none ever did), stripped of theyre food(they were close enough to theyre own troops and camps that this did not harm them in any way) and military supplies and sent on they way.
bibliography… pick up a book that says che on it and is written by a cuban…
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### Author:  [@Blake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blake)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2011, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/46 "2011-01-08T04:58:19Z")
Che has risen from the grave.
And he craves baraaaaaaaiins.
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### Author:  [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2011, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/47 "2011-01-08T05:22:16Z")
Good grief. Someone needs to put a stake through this threads heart, to mix monster metaphors…
-XT
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2011, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/48 "2011-01-08T13:37:24Z")
> [@Blake](#):
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> Che has risen from the grave.
> And he craves baraaaaaaaiins.
The living shall no longer unfairly ignore the needs of the dead! Brains will be nationalized and fairly redistributed so that the zombie proletariat may have their fair share! Long unlive the Revolution!
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### Author:  [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/49 "2011-01-08T16:28:19Z")
> [@John\_Carter\_of\_Mars](#):
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> I had a girlfriend (age 14) at Pinar del Rio. She and her family were killed there by the Fidelistas.
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> That made me cry.
So much for Fidel, Che and the rest of them. Just a bunch of murdering thugs who got away with it and ran their own country down the toilet.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [January 8, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/50 "2011-01-08T16:38:09Z")
Oh thank God it’s a zombie. I thought a new shipment of drugs had hit town.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@devpow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/devpow)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-che-guevarra-and-osama-bin-laden-is-no-che-guevarra-is-he/241701/51 "2011-01-10T01:39:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#):
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> So much for Fidel, Che and the rest of them. Just a bunch of murdering thugs who got away with it and ran their own country down the toilet.
so then whats your opinion on batista?
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