# I knew it wouldn't last, Florida. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 5, 2008, 6:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223 "2008-11-05T06:10:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223/81 "2008-11-13T23:31:03Z")
My assertion assumes that ignorance does not automatically equal predjudice for it’s own sake, rather that misinformation, or ignorance, or simple lack of experience equate to a wrongheaded viewpoint as opposed to ‘OMG teh gayz is horrible’. My argument never has been that SSM is a bad thing, rather, that not all people who believe that it is are jabbering, evil homophobes. ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223/82 "2008-11-13T23:53:43Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Sure enough. Better than that, I’ll give you an example of someone I know: > > This is a person who believes what it says in the Bible and takes it at its’ word Not if she’s against gay marriage, she doesn’t. It’s preachers and religious doctrines that speak against gay marriage – not the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223/83 "2008-11-14T00:12:21Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > My assertion assumes that ignorance does not automatically equal predjudice for it’s own sake, rather that misinformation, or ignorance, or simple lack of experience equate to a wrongheaded viewpoint as opposed to ‘OMG teh gayz is horrible’. > My argument never has been that SSM is a bad thing, rather, that not all people who believe that it is are jabbering, evil homophobes. I agree with you here; as I said in another thread, arguments for gay marriage are either irrational or bigoted, but not necessarily both. I do feel it is incumbent upon the ignorance to correct the problem themselves, though. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223/84 "2008-11-15T02:02:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I agree with you here; as I said in another thread, arguments for gay marriage are either irrational or bigoted, but not necessarily both. > > I do feel it is incumbent upon the ignorance to correct the problem themselves, though. Agreed, though a little help from those with the capability of a little more abstract thought can’t hurt 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223/85 "2008-11-15T02:41:59Z")
> [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Perhaps not directly, but the paralells have been drawn in this thread and they’re so far off base that it’s almost sickening. Of course gay people have been killed for being gay, but it’s never been legal. Certainly it’s been legal in various places and times; even demanded by the law. As for America specifically, I don’t know if it’s been officially legal, but it’s typically been **effectively** legal. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > My only argument in this thread has been that people can believe honestly that banning SSM is a valid viewpoint and not be wingnuts or whackjobs. Then they are sane but evil. If you oppose SSM, you are bigoted vermin. Period. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > I think many of those people, if they have the chance to meet, socialize with and get to know some gay people, they’ll change their tune. Bigots seldom change. They’d be more likely to take the opportunity to mock the gays for losing, or if they thought they could get away with it assault or kill them. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > The people they see advocating this though are sometimes militant, loud and angry. While they’ve got the right to be, I think they’re doing more harm than good. Militant, loud and angry is what generally wins this sort of fight. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223/86 "2008-11-15T02:53:49Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Militant, loud and angry is what generally wins this sort of fight. Do you think it was better for the nation to see Bull Connor turns hoses and dogs on unarmed, unresisting marchers, or would the cause have been served better if the marchers had kicked the shit out of him and his deputies? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2008, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223/87 "2008-11-15T03:01:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Do you think it was better for the nation to see Bull Connor turns hoses and dogs on unarmed, unresisting marchers, or would the cause have been served better if the marchers had kicked the shit out of him and his deputies? That was a freakish period of history. Nowadays, the authorities would simply have ignored those protesters; it probably wouldn’t have even made the national news. Passive methods like that only work when the other side **lets** them work. And “militant, loud and angry” isn’t the same as “violent” anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-knew-it-wouldnt-last-florida/471223.md?page=4)