# I know you hate each other, but... **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 21, 2005, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434 "2005-04-21T16:18:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac8455/32.png) [@Bippy\_the\_Beardless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bippy_the_Beardless)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/21 "2005-04-21T18:39:56Z")
What a load of stupid crap. (make of this what you will, but it is accurate in allmost any interpretation) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/22 "2005-04-21T18:51:11Z")
Yeah, that thread was a doozy of a trainwreck, but BFD-- it’s the Pit. And \*\*Weirddave \*\*was hardly part of the trainwreck-- he only posted a few times anyway. I think a better way to have handed it would be to have asked a mod to close that thread, and then open a legit GD or GQ thread to carry on the discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/23 "2005-04-21T18:56:16Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > The referenced thread is just plain ugly and it was the three of them who made it ugly. They should be ashamed of themselves. So far in this thread, it doesn’t look like **Beer** or **Dave** mind the ugly. You mind telling me how? ElvisL1ves told a blatant lie. I called him on it. I gave him repeated opportunities to either provide proof of his accusation, or retract it. He chose instead to hurl insults. I don’t believe I even insulted anyone in that thread, beyond calling Homebrew an idiot. So how does my pointing out a lie make me guilty of making the thread “ugly”? The whole thing, including this spin-off thread, is more amusing than anything else. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/24 "2005-04-21T19:13:47Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > You mind telling me how? ElvisL1ves told a blatant lie. I called him on it. I gave him repeated opportunities to either provide proof of his accusation, or retract it. He chose instead to hurl insults. I don’t believe I even insulted anyone in that thread, beyond calling Homebrew an idiot. So how does my pointing out a lie make me guilty of making the thread “ugly”? The whole thing, including this spin-off thread, is more amusing than anything else. Because you joined that thread to defend the indefensible ( **manny** being an off-topic ass) and continued the stupid feces-slinging highjack that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP and everything to do with offended political sensibilities. I find ugly amusing too sometimes, just not when friends of mine are the ones being ugly. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/25 "2005-04-21T19:19:27Z")
> [@](#): > > Honestly-- UncleBeer I’m used to seeing fly off the deep end when his political leanings are challenged. For such a mostly nice guy, his knee-jerk conservatism makes him look a little like a raving looney. While you’re looking for the stuff Weirddave is asking for, mebbe you should see if you can also find somethin’ in that thread challenging “my political leanings.” My ire was raised initially by what appeared to me to be willful ignorance, and subsequently by stupid and baseless ad hominems. I made nary a statement in there which can even be remotely construed “political.” ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/26 "2005-04-21T19:29:02Z")
> [@UncleBeer](#): > > While you’re looking for the stuff Weirddave is asking for, mebbe you should see if you can also find somethin’ in that thread challenging “my political leanings.” > > My ire was raised initially by what appeared to me to be willful ignorance, and subsequently by stupid and baseless ad hominems. I made nary a statement in there which can even be remotely construed “political.” And what was this “willful ignorance” that so raised your ire about? I wasn’t about something political, was it? Oh wait, yes it was. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/27 "2005-04-21T19:39:28Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Because you joined that thread to defend the indefensible ( **manny** being an off-topic ass) and continued the stupid feces-slinging highjack that had absolutely nothing to do with the OP and everything to do with offended political sensibilities. No, I didn’t. If you’ll go back an reread my posts, I never said one thing about Manny or in defense of Manny. READ WHAT I ACTUALLY WROTE. My entire focus was, and remains, on ElvisL1ves attributing something to Manny that Manny never said. The fact that it was Manny is immaterial to me, I would have pointed out his lies if he was making shit up and attributing it to Rjung or Dio. I think you have one thing right, tho. ElvisL1ves is lying through his teeth because of his political sensibilities. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/28 "2005-04-21T19:42:53Z")
Yeah, but it doesn’t bother me when **Elv1s** looks like an ass. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/29 "2005-04-21T19:51:10Z")
Gawdamighty, Dave, are you still chundering on about that? Here’s a helpful hint for you: That wasn’t the first thread manny has ever posted in. Yes, that’s true. This notion you have that nothing that is said outside a thread is relevant to what is said inside it is ridiculous. Now go try to think a little harder. Then, consider the thread topic, consider your posts, and consider who’s responsible for derailing the train there. Here’s another helpful hint for you: When you have nothing to contribute, don’t contribute it. Or you could just go play in traffic, kid. Whatever. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/30 "2005-04-21T19:53:28Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Honestly-- **UncleBeer\*\*\*\*WeirdDave** and **manny** I’m surprised at. For my own part, I’ve just become increasingly annoyed with the whole use of the Pit as another forum with cusswords. Fuck that. If you’re gonna flame somebody, flame 'em! And expect to get flamed back! So I’m just having a little bit of retro fun at **LHD** ’s expense. This forum ain’t called “The Crock Pot” or “The Simmerer” and it’s certainly not called “GD with Swearing.” As to being off-topic, that’s actually what set me off. There _is_ no topic. ‘Doh-dee-doh, here’s something that’s probably dumb, what do you guys think?’ What do I think? I think they’re lonely in IMHO, that’s what I think. ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/31 "2005-04-21T19:57:13Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Gawdamighty, Dave, are you still chundering on about that? Here’s a helpful hint for you: That wasn’t the first thread manny has ever posted in. Yes, that’s true. This notion you have that nothing that is said outside a thread is relevant to what is said inside it is ridiculous. Now go try to think a little harder. So you made the whole thing up because you don’t like Manny’s posting style and history? Good to know. A little more forthrightness would do wonders for you soul, but admitting you have a problem is the first step to recovery. Good job! ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/32 "2005-04-21T20:07:23Z")
> [@manhattan](#): > > As to being off-topic, that’s actually what set me off. There _is_ no topic. ‘Doh-dee-doh, here’s something that’s probably dumb, what do you guys think?’ What do I think? I think they’re lonely in IMHO, that’s what I think. Get real. You just summed up my OP for [Pope Ratzi](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=312677), and it is now a very successful 9 pages. If a person is angry about something, but does not want to spend a long time writing an OP, that’s his business. You most likely want to defend delay, but have no reasonable explanation for such an excretable comment of his. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBeer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/977dab/32.png) [@UncleBeer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBeer)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/33 "2005-04-21T20:22:19Z")
> [@](#): > > And what was this “willful ignorance” that so raised your ire about? I wasn’t about something political, was it? Oh wait, yes it was. No; it wasn’t. Check my [post #93](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6076781&postcount=93) (which in turn references my posts #12 & #24). It appeared to me that LHoD was being willfully ignorant through his refusal to seek an answer to what he admitted might be important. I stated this several times in several ways in that thread. I fail to understand how completely this essential distinction has escaped you given your self-implied thorough familiarity with the thread. Not a shred of political flavor to that now, is there? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/34 "2005-04-21T20:24:43Z")
There certainly are more than a few folks around here who don’t understand the difference between “supports Politician X” and “refuses to denounce Politician X for any reason at any time.” ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/35 "2005-04-21T20:26:20Z")
> [@Weirddave](#): > > You mind telling me how? ElvisL1ves told a blatant lie. What was it, and **how** was it a lie? I’m serious here. Either you say any statement of factual inaccuracy is a lie (e.g. if I refer to Luther’s 96 theses), which reduces lying to something about as serious as leaving one’s shoelaces untied, or you need some evidence that the alleged liar _knew_ he wasn’t telling the truth - was _intending_ to deceive. (FWIW, the dictionary on my shelf includes both definitions, so that’s not the issue. The question is, which one works in this environment?) And if the latter definition, isn’t it quite possible that **Elvis** could have honestly misread **manny** ’s early _sturm und drang_ as taking DeLay’s side? Seems like there’s a lot of room for that. > [@](#): > > I called him on it. I gave him repeated opportunities to either provide proof of his accusation, or retract it. He chose instead to hurl insults. **Elvis** can speak for himself, but how I read it was that he saw you jumping in for no other purpose but to accuse him of lying, rather than discussing the actual topic of the thread. Accordingly, he felt he was justified in telling you to get lost, in stronger language of course. Does that help? ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/36 "2005-04-21T20:39:47Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Get real. You just summed up my OP for [Pope Ratzi](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=312677)… My apologies. I’ll be sure to get to you next time. That is, if I can keep up! Holy shit, man, 29 posts a day? I wasn’t averaging that when most of my posts were announcing that something was moving to IMHO. And believe me, that was a lot when they first opened the forum. You should get, like a job or something. ---
**Author:** ![Scott\_Plaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Scott\_Plaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scott_Plaid)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/37 "2005-04-21T20:43:52Z")
Oh, I have a job. A soul-crushing, mind-numbing job, in which it does not matter if I spend all day browsing the internet, for all my work is make-work, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![manhattan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/manhattan/32/7_2.png) [@manhattan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/manhattan)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/38 "2005-04-21T20:45:04Z")
Fair enough, then. I won’t even flame you if you place a _proper_ Pit thread complaining about that. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Binarydrone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3da27b/32.png) [@Binarydrone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Binarydrone)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/39 "2005-04-21T20:46:27Z")
manhattan, So, if I understand you correctly, you object to the way that the Pit has organically evolved over time and, in absence of a Mod moving threads or an Administrator making some sort of ruling on the type of threads that are to be started in the Pit, have taken it upon yourself to make threads here more hostile than they would otherwise be? Do I have that right? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2005, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434/40 "2005-04-21T20:58:30Z")
> [@Scott\_plaid](#): > > Oh, I have a job. A soul-crushing, mind-numbing job, in which it does not matter if I spend all day browsing the internet, for all my work is make-work, anyway. Just out of curiousity, does it matter to your employer? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-know-you-hate-each-other-but/300434.md?page=3)