# I like Beethoven!

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [March 15, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448 "2006-03-15T14:34:57Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![JCorre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3da27b/32.png) [@JCorre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JCorre)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/21 "2006-03-16T00:54:54Z")

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> [@Miss Mapp](#):
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> I know I can’t listen to that one part of famous Beethoven’s famous 9th without getting pictures of dancing Jesi in my head.

Do you know what specific part of the 9th kubrick used for that scene? The scene I’m talking about is the one near the beginning when its just a montage of cut shots of things in Alex’s room, the dancing Jesi being one of them.

What piece of music is that?

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**Author:** ![danceswithcats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9e8a1a/32.png) [@danceswithcats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/danceswithcats)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/22 "2006-03-16T01:09:45Z")

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> [@Ukulele Ike](#):
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> Shit, **twickster** , haven’t we had about enough of your outrageous controversial opinions?
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> I’ll be keeping a close eye on this thread, in case I have to move it over to the Pit.
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> – Uke  
> [sub]who prefers the First Piano Concerto, actually, especially the allegro scherzando movement[/sub]

Thank you for providing my LMAO of the day. 😛

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**Author:** ![Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Stark\_Raven\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stark_Raven_Mad)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/23 "2006-03-16T03:24:12Z")

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> [@JCorre](#):
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> Do you know what specific part of the 9th kubrick used for that scene? The scene I’m talking about is the one near the beginning when its just a montage of cut shots of things in Alex’s room, the dancing Jesi being one of them.
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> What piece of music is that?

Molto vivace, if memory serves. It’s the second track on my CD.

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**Author:** ![Askance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askance/32/8281_2.png) [@Askance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askance)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/24 "2006-03-16T03:32:53Z")

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> [@Miss Mapp](#):
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> … dancing Jesi …

I know someone who would kill for a copy of that piece. Anyone know where they can be got?

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**Author:** ![jackelope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a6a055/32.png) [@jackelope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackelope)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/25 "2006-03-16T04:46:59Z")

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When the time finally arrives for me to snap, declare myself the Angel of Judgment (or Mercy or Death or something), and go all Ezekiel 25:17 on the sinners, _The Emperor Suite_ will be playing, LOUD, as I haul ass toward Armageddon.

(I’m thinking maybe late next week.)

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/26 "2006-03-16T05:31:51Z")

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> [@twickster](#):
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> Sounds like he’s ready for _Fantasia_!
> 
> I grew up with my dad’s Deutsche Grammophone complete symphonies on the stereo – definitely formative.

I grew up hearing them performed by George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra . . . Live!

Their recordings are still unsurpassed.

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**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/27 "2006-03-16T05:51:31Z")

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Speaking of the guy mentioned in the subject line, what is the piano piece that’s played at the beginning and the end of the eponymous dog movie? I’m sure it’s probably something famous (maybe even mentioned in the OP), but I’m ignorant of this sort of thing.

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/28 "2006-03-16T13:10:06Z")

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> [@panache45](#):
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> I grew up hearing them performed by George Szell and the Cleveland Orchestra . . . Live!
> 
> Their recordings are still unsurpassed.

That’s the orchestra on my Piano Concerti set, with Leon Fleisher tickling the ivories.

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**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/29 "2006-03-16T13:13:25Z")

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> [@Stark Raven Mad](#):
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> Molto vivace, if memory serves. It’s the second track on my CD.

I’ve just checked on my CD, that’s what it is: second track (second movement?). The listing on the back of the CD box calls it “Molto vivace.”

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**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/30 "2006-03-16T13:37:52Z")

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> [@twickster](#):
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> That’s the orchestra on my Piano Concerti set, with Leon Fleisher tickling the ivories.

Recorded before his right hand fell off, I hope.

Try Martha Argerich’s recording of the First…the 1992 live perf with the Concertgebouw Orchestra of Amsterdam. She really rips shit in that third movement.

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**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/31 "2006-03-16T14:27:55Z")

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B’s Piano Concerti, Sonatas, or Symphonies… If you could choose only one set for the rest of your life, which would it be?

I can’t decide…

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**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/32 "2006-03-16T14:28:51Z")

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> [@Ukulele Ike](#):
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> Recorded before his right hand fell off, I hope.

😕

[Aha!](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Fleisher)

:eek:

Yeah, in 1961.

And I’ll keep an eye out for Mlle. Argerich.

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**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/33 "2006-03-16T14:38:04Z")

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I find it amazing that that huge dog was also a classical composer.

V for Victory! dit dit dit DAH

Churchill knew what he was doing, didn’t he? Whether he introduced it or just promoted it, linking the Morse Code for V with Beethoven’s Fifth was pretty slick. (Was it the BBC that introduced it?) I have an old friend that was a child in the UK during WWII and she can’t hear that symphony without automatically linking it to that time. Powerful music for a dark time.

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V\_sign#Winston\_Churchill\_and\_the\_victory\_sign](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_sign#Winston_Churchill_and_the_victory_sign)

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**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/34 "2006-03-16T15:09:43Z")

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> [@NoClueBoy](#):
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> V for Victory! dit dit dit DAH

No.  
[shoves NCB into airlock]

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**Author:** ![II\_Gyan\_II](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/bbe5ce/32.png) [@II\_Gyan\_II](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/II_Gyan_II)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/35 "2006-03-16T16:06:27Z")

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> [@Windwalker](#):
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> B’s Piano Concerti, Sonatas, or Symphonies… If you could choose only one set for the rest of your life, which would it be?

You forgot the String Quartets.

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**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/36 "2006-03-16T16:35:43Z")

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I memorized the Ode to Joy as a college freshman, even though I speak not a word of German, just so I could sing along. (I’m trying the same now with Wagner’s _Pilgrim’s Chorus_, 30 years later…finding it much harder).

I took a course in college on Beethoven Symphonies, and it was there that I was introduced to the 7th. The second movement is just…sublime.

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**Author:** ![marque\_elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71c47a/32.png) [@marque\_elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marque_elf)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/37 "2006-03-16T16:50:52Z")

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Beethoven?

It’s got a good beat. You can dance to it. I’d give it an 85.

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**Author:** ![Miss\_Mapp](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miss_mapp/32/369_2.png) [@Miss\_Mapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Mapp)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/38 "2006-03-16T16:58:10Z")

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> [@jsc1953](#):
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> I memorized the Ode to Joy as a college freshman, even though I speak not a word of German, just so I could sing along.

I know no German either, and just make up my own words (feeling’ brave ‘n’ fire-drunken, heimliching mine heidy-ho…)\* 🙂

\*According to my lyrics, the Ode to Joy is a stirring song about a couple who go out to the Ratskeller and try some new and possibly dangerous “fire water”; when his date (who is a massive Cab Calloway fan) chokes on it, the gentleman saves her by performing the Heimlich manuever. Further adventures follow for the pair through an exciting and riotous evening on the town.

But then I also think that the chorus in the Fantasy for Piano is an ode to Motorcross.

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**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/39 "2006-03-16T17:23:56Z")

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Actually, “fire drunken” isn’t far off. As a public service, here’s the [real lyrics.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ode_to_Joy)

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**Author:** ![Figaro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ea666f/32.png) [@Figaro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Figaro)\
**Post date:** [March 16, 2006, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-beethoven/348448/40 "2006-03-16T17:53:07Z")

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It makes me all fuzzy inside to see a Beethoven thread!

I’ll toss in a recommendation for Symphony No. 8 - it’s one of the greatest examples of pure musical humor I’ve ever heard. Not jokey humor - just music that makes you want to laugh if it’s played right because it has such wit.

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