# I like bread butts and I cannot lie **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Tags:** ai\ **Created:** [January 26, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406 "2025-01-26T00:31:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/1 "2025-01-26T00:31:57Z")
Is there a bakery somewhere that makes a loaf of _only_ bread butt-ends? The thick part that many people despise or discard, but I happen to love? It’s my favorite part of a loaf and I always wish there were more than two ends of it. Failing that, does anyone make bread “cubes” or – I don’t know what you call this shape – but a cube extruded into rectangular prisms on each side, but every side is a bread butt? Like this: [![](https://media.cleanshot.cloud/media/76644/zzPiMGABdw2KfMqlc4tFtq1EzrHn8EcMp5jhp2OQ.jpeg?response-content-disposition=attachment%3Bfilename%3DCleanShot%2520-%2520%2520January%252025%2520%2540%252004-31-17%2520PM.jpeg&Expires=1737873084&Signature=Srw~SRjv54rf0qLiJ1D8TrepUjKpGieNotLejGNTHYsz0B0tlTMldD9UipYy2QodqmcQqNgDT-v8siWt1fDBmsp3Ookf-IQA3gtv~K7Wh55SmdrYOlRt2fbyjiG18dBw~dJNOItjjjeU1fHk8FExAkZBYILOjfrw8qiOVX8-bDBKcURtfxOFPRAilV-XZEVhAjHtICAseQ2fjbIEHF8VFDbKl2ZVZ3beNy8kZlaM1TEIaQm2tO6EzWLjaNL4ypWXb67d5GJpgOB5kXWNrRXsnCB0tGrIUZrcU8Oj2-jB4O-xecDRr1XOKtnmNPw4KopQ7eqWeyVA3halYYCywLvzkA__&Key-Pair-Id=K269JMAT9ZF4GZ) ](https://media.cleanshot.cloud/media/76644/zzPiMGABdw2KfMqlc4tFtq1EzrHn8EcMp5jhp2OQ.jpeg?response-content-disposition=attachment%3Bfilename%3DCleanShot%2520-%2520%2520January%252025%2520%2540%252004-31-17%2520PM.jpeg&Expires=1737873084&Signature=Srw~SRjv54rf0qLiJ1D8TrepUjKpGieNotLejGNTHYsz0B0tlTMldD9UipYy2QodqmcQqNgDT-v8siWt1fDBmsp3Ookf-IQA3gtv~K7Wh55SmdrYOlRt2fbyjiG18dBw~dJNOItjjjeU1fHk8FExAkZBYILOjfrw8qiOVX8-bDBKcURtfxOFPRAilV-XZEVhAjHtICAseQ2fjbIEHF8VFDbKl2ZVZ3beNy8kZlaM1TEIaQm2tO6EzWLjaNL4ypWXb67d5GJpgOB5kXWNrRXsnCB0tGrIUZrcU8Oj2-jB4O-xecDRr1XOKtnmNPw4KopQ7eqWeyVA3halYYCywLvzkA__&Key-Pair-Id=K269JMAT9ZF4GZ) Turned into this (flawed AI illustration): [![](https://media.cleanshot.cloud/media/76644/lmejWnUumFYNEmTxAqqXgxCuQ8M2pCN13xHoXKqj.jpeg?response-content-disposition=attachment%3Bfilename%3DCleanShot%2520-%2520%2520January%252025%2520%2540%252004-30-37%2520PM.jpeg&Expires=1737873073&Signature=deMJ8Jyf0rdO7ShXNJCyxQAiYsziOcLDSuY3dNcJbO5CFxNBWE1aAzCGclMnZEM8FFqNBq1M4M-LMj5~xTgIG3WJVwdKP6A1MWLbzcdRQnzFAst~MrbMorrxsHtuSixm8rc-fPoMlN-cXDj470j-DYgasf4sqmclfz4-YxVqArcc-gRiJwpicv6oNJvjtykhkyhi2ouFHUgBbFTDeB5SO5io1iTurQHeENGKSvI3nnxqNInI7CP1wyvHQImaQ8lEixRNIi9g5LAACl7~MgTeHX8S7jiAYHF41-ALb36swt91M89~vG-9uvAKIeFLyRZ2oBMOuZPK72C5G7RtijRoGQ__&Key-Pair-Id=K269JMAT9ZF4GZ) ](https://media.cleanshot.cloud/media/76644/lmejWnUumFYNEmTxAqqXgxCuQ8M2pCN13xHoXKqj.jpeg?response-content-disposition=attachment%3Bfilename%3DCleanShot%2520-%2520%2520January%252025%2520%2540%252004-30-37%2520PM.jpeg&Expires=1737873073&Signature=deMJ8Jyf0rdO7ShXNJCyxQAiYsziOcLDSuY3dNcJbO5CFxNBWE1aAzCGclMnZEM8FFqNBq1M4M-LMj5~xTgIG3WJVwdKP6A1MWLbzcdRQnzFAst~MrbMorrxsHtuSixm8rc-fPoMlN-cXDj470j-DYgasf4sqmclfz4-YxVqArcc-gRiJwpicv6oNJvjtykhkyhi2ouFHUgBbFTDeB5SO5io1iTurQHeENGKSvI3nnxqNInI7CP1wyvHQImaQ8lEixRNIi9g5LAACl7~MgTeHX8S7jiAYHF41-ALb36swt91M89~vG-9uvAKIeFLyRZ2oBMOuZPK72C5G7RtijRoGQ__&Key-Pair-Id=K269JMAT9ZF4GZ) Really, I just wish there was a way to buy all the bread-butt slices that people normally discard. The rest of the loaf is whatever, but the ends are delicious! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/2 "2025-01-26T00:37:54Z")
The shape would be a Dali cross,a tesseract expanded into 3D. Your request makes you sound like a heel. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/3 "2025-01-26T00:41:49Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The shape would be a Dali cross Is there a more specific term that describes “cube with all six faces expanded out to equal length”, like the first image? A dali cross, at least in my searches, looks like a Jesus cross with tumors. (The AI illustration wasn’t great; it couldn’t get the right shape after many tries). > [@running\_coach](#): > > Your request makes you sound like a heel. OK… now, is _heel_ some other geometric religious shape I hadn’t heard of? 😉 I’ve been called many things, but never quite _that_. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/4 "2025-01-26T00:46:12Z")
The more I think about this, the more fascinated I become. Is there a mathematical formula that can describe the optimal shape and configuration of bread-like-objects to place in a typical home oven, such that you maximize the surface area of bread-butt-like outputs per volume of flour input? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/5 "2025-01-26T00:51:08Z")
A heel is also the piece of bread you’re looking for. A [tesseract is a 4D cube.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesseract) The figure in your post is a tesseract in 3D space. ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/6 "2025-01-26T00:56:15Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > A heel is also the piece of bread you’re looking for. Wow… I turned 40 last year, and I’d _never_ heard it called that 🤯 And apparently it’s the most common term for that slice of bread! [What People Call the End Piece of Bread Around the World - Business Insider](https://www.businessinsider.com/what-is-the-end-piece-of-bread-called-2018-11#one-lone-responder-from-surrey-bc-canada-called-it-the-best-part-9) ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/7 "2025-01-26T00:56:53Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Is there a bakery somewhere that makes a loaf of _only_ bread butt-ends? Like “[Butt of the Bread _to You_!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YYkj2yYaGtU)”? (I think trying to make a butt-only loaf would have similar problems to trying to make a top-only muffin.) But you could always go with this: > **[Bread Butts bread](https://happycampersgf.com/products/bread-butts?variant=41896000192695)** > > This bread is exactly what it sounds like. You better believe it. This is a loaf made up entirely of bread ends aka heels aka butts! There are 7 to 8 slices per loaf. Who is this product for? Anybody who loves  extra crunch and crispy crust... ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/8 "2025-01-26T00:59:07Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Is there a mathematical formula that can describe the optimal shape and configuration of bread-like-objects to place in a typical home oven, such that you maximize the surface area of bread-butt-like outputs per volume of flour input? Probably not horse-shaped. > **[AI-generated "challahorse" takes Polish internet by storm after some users...](https://notesfrompoland.com/2025/01/16/ai-generated-challahorse-takes-polish-internet-by-storm-after-some-users-think-it-is-genuine/)** ---
**Author:** ![solost](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/solost/32/11776_2.png) [@solost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/solost)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/9 "2025-01-26T01:15:49Z")
To dare to give a serious answer, I think the French baguette comes close- a very thin loaf of bread usually like a foot and a half long. It has a very generous crust to overall bread volume ratio, ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/10 "2025-01-26T01:47:21Z")
When I heard it, the first time, my brain went directly to what is the “toe” of bread…then I put it out of my mind. Forthwith. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/11 "2025-01-26T01:58:22Z")
> [@Reply](#): > > Wow… I turned 40 last year, and I’d _never_ heard it called that 🤯 And I’d never heard of a bread butt. Opened the thread to find out what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/12 "2025-01-26T02:13:23Z")
From that article: > [@](#): > > About 517 (36.7%) of the responders called this slice “the heel,” referring to the heel of a foot. Almost all of the Irish and Oklahoman responders used this term in the survey. > … > The “butt” was the third most popular answer. > …, > This response, which made up 281 (20%) of the responses, was mostly given by American responders. > … > Of the 178 (12.7%) people who said they referred to it as “the crust,” only 21 were from the United States. The majority of the other 157 respondents were from Australia There seems to be a considerable US-Commonwealth divergence. (Except for the Oklahomans – what’s up with that?) I call it the heel or the crust. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/13 "2025-01-26T03:07:41Z")
Ok. I have to mention > **["Seinfeld" The Muffin Tops (TV Episode 1997) ⭐ 8.4 | Comedy](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697736/)** > > 23m | TV-PG > Elaine tells her former boss Mr. Lippman about an idea to sell only the tops of muffins. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/14 "2025-01-26T03:25:09Z")
Panera bread used to (?) sell Muffies, just the tops. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/15 "2025-01-26T03:46:08Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Ok. I have to mention > > ["Seinfeld" The Muffin Tops (TV Episode 1997) - IMDb](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697736/) > > > Elaine tells her former boss Mr. Lippman about an idea to sell only the tops of muffins. I had to mention it in post #7. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/16 "2025-01-26T04:10:50Z")
Bread consisting of just the two end pieces has been made since the invention of baking. What, too obvious? 😉 [![](https://www.alphabaking.com/assets/1/6/DimLarge/52017_52617_XL_Onion_Bun.jpg) ](https://www.alphabaking.com/assets/1/6/DimLarge/52017_52617_XL_Onion_Bun.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/17 "2025-01-26T04:14:29Z")
Well, as a compromise between N-dimensional bread-making, you could use an “all corners” brownie pan with homemade dough: > **[Amazon.com: Baker's Edge Brownie Pan, The Original All Edges Brownie Pan for...](https://www.amazon.com/Bakers-Edge-Nonstick-Brownie-Pan/dp/B000MMK448)** > > Shop Baker's Edge at the Amazon Bakeware store. Free Shipping on eligible items. Everyday low prices, save up to 50%. It would maximize the browned, in direct contact with pan portions at least. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/18 "2025-01-26T04:26:03Z")
Cool pan, but for that price I better get 10 of them. ---
**Author:** ![phs3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8491ac/32.png) [@phs3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phs3)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/19 "2025-01-26T06:28:19Z")
And careful, remember Heinlein’s _And He Baked A Crooked Loaf_. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2025, 7:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-bread-butts-and-i-cannot-lie/1013406/20 "2025-01-26T07:26:33Z")
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