# I like my women -\> ? Who is the next top waddle? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 31, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266 "2007-01-31T14:44:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Flutterby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Flutterby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flutterby)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/41 "2007-01-31T21:49:51Z")
[QUOTE=Veuve\_ClicquotNJ] To pick a nit - there are MISSES 14s and there are WOMENS 14s. Ditto 16, 18, 20. I would equate (roughly) a WOMANS 14 with a MISSES 16 or 18. [/QUOTE] I hate this sort of sizing. Why? Because I have worn a 15 misses and an 18 womans. Both pairs of jeans are in my closet right now and fit me equally well, actually the misses fits slightly better. How does that work? Especially if misses is usually sized smaller than womans? ---
**Author:** ![UntouchedTakeaway](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d78d45/32.png) [@UntouchedTakeaway](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UntouchedTakeaway)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/42 "2007-01-31T22:14:50Z")
[QUOTE=Flutterby] I hate this sort of sizing. Why? Because I have worn a 15 misses and an 18 womans. Both pairs of jeans are in my closet right now and fit me equally well, actually the misses fits slightly better. How does that work? Especially if misses is usually sized smaller than womans? [/QUOTE] Because there’s absolutely no standardization whatsoever between clothing manufacturers. I currently have everything from a misses 10 to a womans 16 in my closet. All pieces (tops/bottoms/jackets/skirts) fit equally well. Thank God they don’t put clothing sizes on tombstones 😃 VCNJ~ ---
**Author:** ![mrklutz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ebca7d/32.png) [@mrklutz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrklutz)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/43 "2007-01-31T22:15:16Z")
[QUOTE=Mouse\_Maven] …I get confused when my husband drools over an actress or model and then tells me he loves me just the way I am. (Is it because I’m more accessible? Does your taste in women vary? Are you trying to keep me from killing you?)… [/QUOTE] It’s because he doesn’t adhere to any single standard of beauty, I’d say. When **olivesmarch4th** said “I’m 5’2’’ and a size 12, very hippy and busty”, I thought she sounded like a hottie. When **Flutterby** said " I’m tall (6’1)… with a ‘peasants build’", I thought she sounded like a hottie too. Women come in a magnificent variety of beautiful forms, and just because your husband thinks someone who looks nothing like you is sexy doesn’t preclude him from thinking you’re hot stuff, too. I prefer women who are decidedly curvy, but I can still appreciate an attractive waifish sort too. That, in my eyes, is the biggest crime of the fashion industry and women’s magazines – promoting a very narrow view of beauty. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/44 "2007-01-31T22:48:06Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Tyra Banks has gained some weight and she has been lamb basted by the press as being the next top waddle i.e. fat model. Which of course is bullsh\*t. [See](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20009611,00.html) [/QUOTE] The weird thing for me is…she looks off in that photo. Not unattractive, just odd, because I’m not used to seeing "super"models or people who make money being pretty looking that healthy. Not fat by any means, just regular-person normal. ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/45 "2007-01-31T22:56:35Z")
[QUOTE=Love Rhombus] The weird thing for me is…she looks off in that photo. Not unattractive, just odd, because I’m not used to seeing "super"models or people who make money being pretty looking that healthy. Not fat by any means, just regular-person normal. [/QUOTE] She looks ‘off’ to me, but not because of her build. It’s the shiny makeup and the scary thin eyebrows that do it: they look horribly fake. But those are easily and inexpensively corrected. Her build is delicious. She could be a lot plumper and look equally good. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Beaucarnea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c0e974/32.png) [@Beaucarnea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beaucarnea)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/46 "2007-01-31T23:41:34Z")
[QUOTE=mrklutz] It’s because he doesn’t adhere to any single standard of beauty, I’d say. When **olivesmarch4th** said “I’m 5’2’’ and a size 12, very hippy and busty”, I thought she sounded like a hottie. When **Flutterby** said " I’m tall (6’1)… with a ‘peasants build’", I thought she sounded like a hottie too. Women come in a magnificent variety of beautiful forms, and just because your husband thinks someone who looks nothing like you is sexy doesn’t preclude him from thinking you’re hot stuff, too. I prefer women who are decidedly curvy, but I can still appreciate an attractive waifish sort too. That, in my eyes, is the biggest crime of the fashion industry and women’s magazines – promoting a very narrow view of beauty. [/QUOTE] **mrklutz** , you have such a fair and reasonable POV, and probably a lucky and confident wife at home. Too bad your post can’t be condensed and slipped into one million or so fortune cookies. Have you considered a newsletter? No one should rely on tabloid magazines to be an authority on physical attractiveness- those mags are equally unkind to the very thin famous as well. And progress won’t be made as long as women are throwing hateful descriptors in the other direction- calling a thin woman a _stick_ or complaining about seeing bones is just as nasty as using the word _waddle_. Every woman’s self image would be improved if the general public would just be a little nicer. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/47 "2007-02-01T00:03:39Z")
[QUOTE=CalMeacham] She was Basted by Lambs? What a horrible fate! Worse, by far, than being lambasted by the press. [/QUOTE] Sometimes my fingers get a little … quick - you know I’ma fast typer..adn somtimes i mispell thngs and dont evin no it. 🙂 Thanks **CAL** ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/48 "2007-02-01T00:43:22Z")
I’ve pretty much given up on women’s fashion; one brand’s 10-12 is another brand’s 16. Heck, some places seem proud of the fact that their jeans are cut a size smaller in the waist than in the hips…I blame sizing like that for the “muffin top” phenomenon. I’ve started buying pants and shorts in the men’s department. They’re a surprisingly nice fit, and I don’t have to worry about the waist being so low that my underpants are exposed. And besides being able to select the length, men’s pants also feature _pockets_, something that seems to be an afterthought on women’s pants. Now I can carry things larger than a gum wrapper! I think Tyra looks good, by the way. I’ve actually gained a bit of respect for her now for publicly bucking the “skeletal waif” ideal. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Captor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/f17d59/32.png) [@Evil\_Captor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Captor)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/49 "2007-02-01T01:28:57Z")
[QUOTE=HandsomeBWonderful] Can there just, for the love of Pete, be one thing we don’t blame on “The Media”? [/QUOTE] Well, in this instance the media just might be the responsible party. I’ve read about TV casting agents and such calling size 6 women “cows.” I have a feeling they just MIGHT have something to with the problem. ---
**Author:** ![threnodyangelfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@threnodyangelfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threnodyangelfire)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/50 "2007-02-01T02:08:45Z")
[QUOTE=Jeep’s Phoenix] I’ve pretty much given up on women’s fashion; one brand’s 10-12 is another brand’s 16. Heck, some places seem proud of the fact that their jeans are cut a size smaller in the waist than in the hips…I blame sizing like that for the “muffin top” phenomenon. I’ve started buying pants and shorts in the men’s department. They’re a surprisingly nice fit, and I don’t have to worry about the waist being so low that my underpants are exposed. [/QUOTE] [hijack] I’m 6’ tall and for most of my adult life, I have had to buy men’s jeans to get the length. And then I visit the States and guess what? LONG women’s jeans! YAYAYAYAYAY! The pair i am wearing today, I NEED to wear heels with! No more looking like I’m waiting for a flash flood![/hijack] On topic: I have been as large as an Australian size 22 (US size 18-20) to my current size of Australian size 10-12 (US size 8-10). When I was a bigger girl, I was amazed at some of the attention that I got from men. Who generally did like my curves. Most, not all, but most of the negative comments I received were from other women. I think a lot of this feedback is attributed to what the popular culture sees as beautiful through magazines and movies. I decided to lose the weight because I hurt myself very badly in a fall and the amount of time it took me to heal worried the hell out of me. I was 28 and it took 4 months to recover. I could sense death by 35 🙂 But I lost weight not from any pressure on the outside, more a quality of life point of view (and this is only how I felt, I’m not projecting this onto anyone else). I wanted to do things like ride a bike and swim and run (and apparently do all those things that people do in tampon commercial :dubious: ) I think Tyra looks great in the beach pics. She looks healthy. She’s glowing. She’s got wonderfully shaped arms and a nice tummy and shoulders. It’s sad when society’s ideals encourage people towards an unhealthy norm. I have a friend who’s eldest daughter is in a performing arts school. At 13 a number of her friends are already developing bulimia to keep the bodies of younger girls for dancing. ---
**Author:** ![Antigen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/848f3c/32.png) [@Antigen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Antigen)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/51 "2007-02-01T02:19:16Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] Right now, there are smaller ads for some skin cream or other featuring a smiling model in a sleeveless outfit, with arms crossed. The tag line says something like, “Your skin will be an extrovert”. My first reaction was" Nice smile, she’s pretty." Then, as I took in the whole picture, “She is scarily thin.” Now I feel disappointed everytime I see the ad. [/QUOTE] I’ve seen that one on the Metro here, and it’s a freaky ad. Her arms look wrong - I think it’s been airbrushed to death. I love the Dove “real beauty” campaign too. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/52 "2007-02-01T02:42:37Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > : > > Originally Posted by CalMeacham > > She was Basted by Lambs? What a horrible fate! > > > > Worse, by far, than being lambasted by the press. > > Sometimes my fingers get a little … quick - you know I’ma fast typer..adn somtimes i mispell thngs and dont evin no it. Thanks CAL No offense meant or, I hope, taken. But when I read it, I got this really weird mental image. (and you had to type the “B” twice) (And notice that I didn’t even mention **Hal** ) (Until now.) ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/53 "2007-02-01T02:57:05Z")
I think [this](http://bonehead.oddballs.com/NobodyElse.html) little video is interesting, and telling. ---
**Author:** ![threnodyangelfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@threnodyangelfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threnodyangelfire)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/54 "2007-02-01T03:11:07Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] I think [this](http://bonehead.oddballs.com/NobodyElse.html) little video is interesting, and telling. [/QUOTE] Thank you! I was just searching for that one to post. It’s a really really good example of exactly the unrealistic ideals girls strive for. A long time ago I used to work for a “Lads” magazine, and the amount of photoshopping of women - who are already considered very sexy and beautiful - was amazing. I saw thighs toned down, hair thickened, hair removed, once, a bellybutton replaced (because the model in question had an outty, not an inny) and a whole bunch of other things! ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/55 "2007-02-01T03:13:14Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] I think [this](http://bonehead.oddballs.com/NobodyElse.html) little video is interesting, and telling. [/QUOTE] And COOL, too. My daughter’s reaction was: “that’s insane.” ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/56 "2007-02-01T03:21:57Z")
[QUOTE=HandsomeBWonderful] Here’s my problem. It may sound mean. I don’t care. Tyra Banks is gorgeous. Tyra, whether she 130 or 160, has a beautiful face. So when she’s a bit chunkier, she’s a stunner who’s a little bit chunky. When she’s thinner (and Tyra’s never been scary thin), she’s a supermodel. Now, I think it’s terrifying when women who have a face like they just walked into a wall go on and on about the “pressure to conform to beauty standards”. Hon, you could have a body like Adriana Lima, and it wouldn’t help. You’re wasting your time - yes, you should be in shape because being healthy is good. But wasting hours at the gym in your abs, legs and butt class to have a model body isn’t going to help your train wreck face. [/quote] That’s a good point. I once knew a girl who was overweight and not very attractive. We all thought that if she lost the weight, she’d be pretty. Well, over the summer, she lost a ton of weight. And? **It didn’t make any difference in her face.** I don’t know what the deal was with her, but she had a really unfortunate face, and it stayed that way. She also did not change her hair, her wardrobe, or her attitude. So she was still unattractive. > [@](#): > > Also, to the women I work with constantly complaining about how it’s impossible to lose the last five and get a perfectly flat stomach - what are you so worried about? Like Sports Illustrated might refuse to let you on their next cover? You’re a married 30-something women who works in an office. Again, you’re fit, and that’s good. Can’t you do something like, oh I don’t know, work hard so you can take pride in your job, instead of obsessing over something that just doesn’t matter? But that’s where we differ. It does matter, to me, because it’s my body and I finish what I start. I lost 25 pounds, but I’m not done getting in shape. I **will** get a flat stomach and firm thighs, **for me.** At work, I don’t say, “The files are pretty much in order and that’s good enough.” In the kitchen, I don’t say, “There are some crumbs on the floor but that’s good enough.” And I’m not going to say, “My stomach is still squishy, but that’s good enough.” I **will** fit in to the purple jeans. Not tomorrow, but soon. ---
**Author:** ![HandsomeBWonderful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3d9bf3/32.png) [@HandsomeBWonderful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HandsomeBWonderful)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/57 "2007-02-01T07:52:59Z")
[QUOTE=Evil Captor] Well, in this instance the media just might be the responsible party. I’ve read about TV casting agents and such calling size 6 women “cows.” I have a feeling they just MIGHT have something to with the problem. [/QUOTE] Ah. All this time, I had been working under a definition of “media” that went something like the dictionary’s definition, a word meaning roughing “a means of mass communication”. I see we’re using the less common definition of “everyone involved in and slightly connected to these various forms of media, up to and including some guy blogging from his basement who calls Tyra Banks ‘Thigh-ra’”. Now I understand where these views on “The Eeeeevil Media” are coming from. Out of curiosity, which form of “media” was responsible for foot binding and the neck-ring-stretching thing? ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/58 "2007-02-01T08:36:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Out of curiosity, which form of “media” was responsible for foot binding and the neck-ring-stretching thing? Well, you totally dodged MY question… what do YOU think causes this? ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/59 "2007-02-01T13:55:15Z")
[QUOTE=CalMeacham] No offense meant or, I hope, taken. But when I read it, I got this really weird mental image. (and you had to type the “B” twice) (And notice that I didn’t even mention **Hal** ) (Until now.) [/QUOTE] Of course no offense taken - you are my favorite Author on Gorgon’s… Any new releases lately? ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/60 "2007-02-01T15:01:37Z")
Last week I saw a bit of news in Spanish newspapers that even my mother had to agree will be a good thing. IF it happens, IF the next government doesn’t send it to hell, IF… The guv’mint and the biggest clothing brands have signed an agreement to standardize women’s clothing. It’s supposed to take like 5 years (we’ll have at least one national election in that time), but dangit it would be so nice, being able to tell the saleswoman “I need a 42” instead of holding up your arms and saying “dunnow, you tell me!”, to get anything between a 36 (36? MY ASS, 36! Or, rather, not ever) and a… 52? Cristo Jesús, what have I done to deserve a 52… the store across the street says I’m a 44… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266.md?page=4)