# I like my women -\> ? Who is the next top waddle? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 31, 2007, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266 "2007-01-31T14:44:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Monstera\_deliciosa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monstera_deliciosa/32/109_2.png) [@Monstera\_deliciosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monstera_deliciosa)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2007, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/121 "2007-02-02T21:06:15Z")
[QUOTE=velvetjones] Speaking of society’s “norm” for women I’d just like to add my $.02 about that Nutrisystem commercial. The woman in the commercial is raving about being a “size 2” after having lost 33 lbs. I know from experience that 10 lbs = 1 clothing size (approximately and by personal experience) so at 33 lbs heavier she was what a size 8 or 10? Since when is a size 8 or 10 so hideous that a person is inspired to join Nutrisystem and lose 33 lbs. Every time I see that commercial I want to slap that bitch and make her quit saying “size 2, I’m a size 2” Perhaps I’m letting this get to me. OK, sorry for the hijack. I’m done. [/QUOTE] The first time I heard her say “This is a 2,” with that insipid little giggle, I turned to my husband and said, “She must be talking about her IQ.” ---
**Author:** ![threnodyangelfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@threnodyangelfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/threnodyangelfire)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2007, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/122 "2007-02-02T21:07:37Z")
**Homo Ergaster** you rock. I was looking for examples of “healthy” bodytypes. thanks! ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2007, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/123 "2007-02-02T21:23:09Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] Yeah, well, she’s probably not actually a size 2. A size two, even with inflated sizes, is pretty small. I mean, I have a couple friends that are that size, but many many many more of my friends are bigger. Hell, the smallest of my close friends is just a small little thing (people always poing out how little she is)- 5’1 and I think she’s currently 120? Maybe 115? She’s wearing a size 11 jeans. Granted, she just had a baby, but I would have guessed she was a LOT smaller than an 11. [/QUOTE] Same thing here. I’m small - my husband affectionately refers to me as “a human built to HO scale”, and I’ve probably only met a half dozen “normal” adult women in my entire life that were smaller all around than I am. I wear a size 5. To get into a size 2, I’d have to lose probably 20 pounds… and there’s no WAY an 87-pound adult is “normal.” ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/124 "2007-02-02T23:16:43Z")
I think I’ve decided that moving this thread was a mistake. It’s staying calm, and it appears I jumped the gun. Back to IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2007, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/125 "2007-02-02T23:43:59Z")
[QUOTE=DiosaBellissima] Hell, the smallest of my close friends is just a small little thing (people always poing out how little she is)- 5’1 and I think she’s currently 120? Maybe 115? She’s wearing a size 11 jeans. Granted, she just had a baby, but I would have guessed she was a LOT smaller than an 11. [/QUOTE] That’s weird. Do you know what brand she’s wearing? I’m about 125 and 5’4 and I wear either a 2 or 4 (vanity sizing). I’d be swimming in an 11. ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2007, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/126 "2007-02-02T23:48:57Z")
I was going to say…I think it depends on body type. When I’m 128 (I’m 5’2") I fit into a size 4 in pants and a 2 in skirts. Even with vanity sizing, those are still pretty small. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/127 "2007-02-03T00:41:08Z")
I need to get me some of those clothes with vanity sizing. I must be an odd shape, because I couldn’t get into a size 2 if my life depended on it. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/128 "2007-02-03T00:49:13Z")
[QUOTE=LifeOnWry] Same thing here. I’m small - my husband affectionately refers to me as “a human built to HO scale”, and I’ve probably only met a half dozen “normal” adult women in my entire life that were smaller all around than I am. I wear a size 5. To get into a size 2, I’d have to lose probably 20 pounds… and there’s no WAY an 87-pound adult is “normal.” [/QUOTE] Well, I weigh a lot more than 87 pounds and I have quite a few 2s in my closet - mind you I also have a bunch of 4s and 6s so I agree that the 2s are probably vanity sized. I think it depends how you carry your weight, to be frank. And I always get in trouble for saying this, but if it’s nasty to mock someone for being a size 14 or 16 or 22, it’s just as obnoxious to mock somebody for being a size 2. K? ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/129 "2007-02-03T00:59:10Z")
[QUOTE=alice\_in\_wonderland] And I always get in trouble for saying this, but if it’s nasty to mock someone for being a size 14 or 16 or 22, it’s just as obnoxious to mock somebody for being a size 2. K? [/QUOTE] Agreed. My mother is somewhere between a size 2 and a size 6, depending on the brand. She’s always been very tall and slender; her top weight was when she was pregnant with me. She’s always been criticized for not eating enough. She’s a vegetarian, though she does eat animal products like cheese and ice cream. She also likes various kinds of grilled fish. She eats well-balanced meals and normal portions, just without meat…I don’t see why people complain or tell her she’s not eating anything. I’ve even had people blame me for her size; apparently I need to watch her constantly to make sure she eats. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/130 "2007-02-03T01:00:56Z")
[QUOTE=nongoog] here’s my point: if you’re posing for an article in which you say you love your skin, don’t airbrush your picture. [/quote] Tyra might love her skin but the magazine might think it needs to look like Corinthian leather, and airbrush it. EVERYONE who is photographed for a magazine shoot like that is airbrushed. Badmouthing Banks about this, as if she has any control over it, as if it isn’t de rigeur whether the model has great skin or not, is ridiculous. > [@](#): > > if you’re posing for an article in which you say you love your breasts, don’t use a push-up bra. Wow, are you really saying that I, who love my breasts (a perky 34DD, btw, so I’m not padding or jacking up), should not wear a push up bra or I’m a hypocrite? WHAT? I just got a new IPEX bra from VS and it totally changes my profile to look like Jayne Mansfield. If I wear it with a dress that shows off my cleavage, that means I am a hypocrite for saying I love my breasts? How completely absurd. It’s me showing them off BECAUSE I like them. Seems quite obvious to me. > [@](#): > > and if you’re posing for an article in which you say you’re comfortable with your body, don’t hide it behind your hair. that’s all. Again, I have to say, are you kidding with this? Her hair hides like 2" of her arm, mostly her armpit. How is this some sort of obfuscation? Look at the picture again. She’s not hiding behind her hair, at all. It’s not accurate to say, much less to call Banks a hypocrite over. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/131 "2007-02-03T01:12:09Z")
[QUOTE=alice\_in\_wonderland] And I always get in trouble for saying this, but if it’s nasty to mock someone for being a size 14 or 16 or 22, it’s just as obnoxious to mock somebody for being a size 2. K? [/QUOTE] I agree entirely… I’m not mocking anyone, just trying to figure out how come people who are bigger than I am can get into way smaller sizes! I find some variance in clothing sizes, but in general 4s are too small on me and 6s are too large (and the fact that my size is a “junior” size and limits my selection of age-appropriate clothing is a whole 'nother rant.) As I said, I know very few women my size or smaller. Since most people tend to refer to me as “tiny” or “petite” or “skinny” and I am 20 pounds heavier than 87 pounds, _I_ think 87 pounds is VERY tiny for an adult. See, this is where that body image stuff we get from the media DEFINITELY affects the way we think. That we are carefully watching what we say lest we inadvertantly “mock” someone for their size shows me that we are way conscious of this stuff. I don’t usually even mention my weight, because it is what it is - bringing it up at all in this thread serves no purpose except for me to try to figure out basically how it is even possible for a woman probably 8-9 inches taller than I am to be considered heavy at 160 pounds. I believe the “normal” weight for my height is about 115-125 pounds, so to me, someone THAT much taller weighing the same seems as if it would be far too thin. ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/132 "2007-02-03T01:25:50Z")
At least in my case it’s because when I’m in shape (which I am NOT right now) I have a very defined narrow waist and hour glass figure at that weight (no huge tits, though, sorry, I’m a fucking goblin) I also did ballet for years and when I feel like being thin I get a personal trainer and build up a ton of lean muscle, while lowering my body fat percentage to “normal low”. Lean muscle weighs more than fat. My sister has a completely different build than me. She looks pudgey at 120, she usually keeps her weight down around 110. She is a true size 0. She’s very very slight, flat…does have curves though. Same height as me. That’s sort of why the BMI charts are across a range, isn’t it? I actually sort of got the impression you think Indygrrl and I are lying. I can tell you right now that at 138 I definitely look bloatey but at 125-128 I’m downright thin. ---
**Author:** ![LifeOnWry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/96bed5/32.png) [@LifeOnWry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeOnWry)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/133 "2007-02-03T01:33:53Z")
[QUOTE=anu-la1979] That’s sort of why the BMI charts are across a range, isn’t it? I actually sort of got the impression you think Indygrrl and I are lying. I can tell you right now that at 138 I definitely look bloatey but at 125-128 I’m downright thin. [/QUOTE] Oh, no, and I’m sorry if I gave that impression. I have a very good friend who I would SWEAR is the exact same size I am, and she does wear the same size clothing as I do… but she’s 20 pounds heavier than I am (which puts her very firmly in the “normal” range for this height.) She is far more muscular than I am, but I was floored when she told me what she weighed. She claims I weigh less because my bones are hollow, and I’m beginning to believe her. (Or perhaps it’s my brainpan that’s empty.) I’m small-waisted, flat-chested and a tad bottom-heavy, but I’m overall noticeably dinky - my six-year old niece can wear my shoes and gloves, and she’s dead-center in the height-weight chart for her age. ---
**Author:** ![anu-la1979](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/47e85d/32.png) [@anu-la1979](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anu-la1979)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/134 "2007-02-03T01:44:03Z")
Honestly, people are floored when I tell them I weigh 125/126/128 and I look athletic (which I think is more accurate for me than “thin”) at the height I am, so I can kind of understand. The poster upthread talked about people don’t look overweight at a size 8 or 10, but _I_ do. If you have the type of body where your waist nips in very sharply, you can go to smaller sizes, especially in skirts. I know people who are physically thinner than me but larger sizes because they have a straighter figure. OTOH, their clothes hang differently than mine do on me (more elegantly, I think) If you are building up muscle at the same time as you’re burning fat your weight is never going to go _that_ low. If I weren’t doing that maybe the weight would be lower, but I feel better having the muscle and my mom was just diagnosed with osteopenia, so I feel a medical need to do all the weights and stuff, not just vanity. The mean trainer is always having me do squats, lunges…exercise that gives me muscular haunches. My last trainer gave me lovely defined muscular (but not crazy big) arms. All those pushups :). ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/135 "2007-02-03T01:48:08Z")
[QUOTE=LifeOnWry] I agree entirely… I’m not mocking anyone, just trying to figure out how come people who are bigger than I am can get into way smaller sizes! [/QUOTE] Well, I think the easy answer is that they’re not actually bigger than you. As I said, it really depends how you carry your weight. In recent years my boobs have gotten friggin ginormous (32E - _ **E** _!!! What the hell is _THAT_ about??) and I think that they make me look bigger over all. So, it’s possible that the people you think are bigger than you are actually only bigger than you in _ONE AREA_. Another example is my former roommate - she an I used to wear the same size and _NOBODY_ believed it - the difference is that her hips are wide and her butt is flat. My hips are narrow and my ass is a bubble (matches the boobs I guess) - so while we wear the same size, it looks totally different on us. Additionally, shes 5’2" and I’m 5’8" - the six inches of height make a huge difference in how things sit. ---
**Author:** ![HazelNutCoffee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac91a4/32.png) [@HazelNutCoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HazelNutCoffee)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/136 "2007-02-03T03:07:15Z")
[QUOTE=anu-la1979] I was going to say…I think it depends on body type. When I’m 128 (I’m 5’2") I fit into a size 4 in pants and a 2 in skirts. Even with vanity sizing, those are still pretty small. [/QUOTE] Yeah.. I’m 5’1" and maybe 115 pounds (haven’t weighed self in a while) and I wear mostly 2s. I think it really does depend on how you carry it - I have small bones, which makes me look smaller than I really am. As for Tyra, she is nowhere near fat, whatever else she may be. I don’t think she’s being a hypocrite either. Like **Rubystreak** says, those decisions are made by the editors, not by the models. ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/137 "2007-02-03T03:28:38Z")
[QUOTE=HazelNutCoffee] As for Tyra, she is nowhere near fat, whatever else she may be. I don’t think she’s being a hypocrite either. Like **Rubystreak** says, those decisions are made by the editors, not by the models. [/QUOTE] I don’t get how she’s a hypocrite in any way. To say Tyra a hypocrite because the way she looks in ANY of the photos posted in this thread contradicts the idea that she loves her body… it’s a sick thing, don’t you think? She’s a model and a celebrity. Her pictures are going to be tinkered with-- it’s part of the industry and no reflection on her self-esteem. Oh, but her hair is hanging down. She has boobs in a structured bra. Must mean she hates herself and all her claims of feeling beautiful right now must be lies… 😕 and kind of :mad: ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/138 "2007-02-03T04:37:17Z")
[QUOTE=HandsomeBWonderful] It’s simply quite common for alice to comment on how lovely and gorgeous she is. Also, she’s apparently skinny, with enormous breasts. You’d think a stunner like that would have lots of friends, but she’s still posting away about what to wear on dates - which I’m sure she goes on, a lot, being such an awesome, sexy chick. I do not think in the time I’m been lurking and posting she’s even linked to picture proof, but I might be wrong. [/QUOTE] A little late for this, but I have first-hand, in-person knowledge that alice\_in\_wonderland is smokin’ hot and has a great rack. And likes to shop. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 7:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/139 "2007-02-03T07:05:18Z")
[QUOTE=anu-la1979] I was going to say…I think it depends on body type. When I’m 128 (I’m 5’2") I fit into a size 4 in pants and a 2 in skirts. Even with vanity sizing, those are still pretty small. [/QUOTE] Yeah, I really don’t get women’s sizing at all. I’m 5’7’’ and weigh around 110 and yet most of my pants are size 6 or 7. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2007, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266/140 "2007-02-03T08:49:46Z")
[QUOTE=GingerOfTheNorth] A little late for this, but I have first-hand, in-person knowledge that alice\_in\_wonderland is smokin’ hot and has a great rack. And likes to shop. [/QUOTE] You’re just saying that because you have a girl-crush on me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-my-women-who-is-the-next-top-waddle/390266.md?page=8)