# I like \[this dish\], only without \[the key ingredient of that dish\].

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017>\
**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [September 16, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017 "2010-09-16T21:45:06Z")\
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**Author:** ![missred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/missred/32/14096_2.png) [@missred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/missred)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 8:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/21 "2010-09-17T08:55:28Z")

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> [@Oakminster](#):
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> > [@Tethered\_Kite](#):
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> > Gumbo without the okra
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> Ain’t no such animal.

What? :eek: What about file gumbo when okra’s not in season?

My response to the OP would be lemon merangue pie sans merangue. Blech!

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**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/22 "2010-09-17T11:03:14Z")

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> [@Quartz](#):
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> When I make mayonnaise I don’t add vinegar. There’s some in the Dijon mustard I use anyway, but beyond that, nada.

I know that what you guys call mayonnaise has very little relationship to the Spanish sauce, but the Spanish sauce doesn’t have vinegar. bloody heretics, invent your own food names!

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/23 "2010-09-17T14:30:27Z")

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I like to order a chicken salad sandwich on wheat toast. Hold the butter, the lettuce, the mayonnaise, and the chicken.

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**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/24 "2010-09-17T14:48:19Z")

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> [@Oakminster](#):
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> > [@Tethered\_Kite](#):
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> > Gumbo without the okra
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> Ain’t no such animal.

Wasn’t that the point? Liking a dish without its key ingredient?

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**Author:** ![cjepson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a9adbd/32.png) [@cjepson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cjepson)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/25 "2010-09-17T14:59:01Z")

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I like gyros without the tzatziki sauce, but that’s technically a discretionary ingredient.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/26 "2010-09-17T15:33:01Z")

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> [@](#):
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> I like to order a chicken salad sandwich on wheat toast. Hold the butter, the lettuce, the mayonnaise, and the chicken.

So that’s, what, toast with celery?

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**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/27 "2010-09-17T15:43:26Z")

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Rumaki without the chicken livers - just bacon wrapped around a water chestnut, and baked.

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/28 "2010-09-17T15:50:54Z")

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> [@Second\_Star\_to\_the\_Right](#):
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> My brother orders pizza without cheese.
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> For me it’s a BLT, hold the L.

I need to cut down on my high-GI carbs, which means pizza without the crust.

And although I love salads, I can’t stand lettuce in sandwiches. For one thing it’s usually iceberg, which I don’t even consider a food. And also, it’s usually wilted and warm. When I get a fast-food burger, I remove the lettuce, tomato and pickle, and eat them separately. The onion stays.

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**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/29 "2010-09-17T15:52:11Z")

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I have a friend who often orders a Reuben, hold the sauerkraut and dressing.

I’ve told him more than once that that’s _not_ a Reuben, it’s a corned beef and Swiss sandwich. But he prefers doing it his way.

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**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/30 "2010-09-17T16:05:18Z")

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Potato and/or macaroni salad, no celery please. Celery is one of those foods that, for me, ruins anything you put it in. Like walnuts in brownies.

> [@Nava](#):
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> I know that what you guys call mayonnaise has very little relationship to the Spanish sauce, but the Spanish sauce doesn’t have vinegar. bloody heretics, invent your own food names!

Isn’t “mayonnaise” French?

> [@Chronos](#):
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> > [@](#):
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> > I like to order a chicken salad sandwich on wheat toast. Hold the butter, the lettuce, the mayonnaise, and the chicken.
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> So that’s, what, toast with celery?

No, it’s Jack Nicholson: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wtfNE4z6a8)

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**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/31 "2010-09-17T17:27:25Z")

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Any baked good with raisins is better without raisins. WAY better.

I don’t hate raisins, but boy do they not belong in baked goods.

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**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/32 "2010-09-17T17:33:55Z")

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> [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> Any baked good with raisins is better without raisins. WAY better.
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> I don’t hate raisins, but boy do they not belong in baked goods.

Exactly. Raisins are fine alone, but I hate them as an _ingredient_.

Cooked, soft celery in soup or stew is fine, good even, but I hate raw celery in anything.

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**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/33 "2010-09-17T17:42:06Z")

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Back in college I worked at a pizza place. One night these two college girls came in and ordered a taco pizza. Except they didn’t want lettuce or tomato on it, and I’m thinking there was something else, maybe onion or black olive. And they didn’t want the cheddar cheese we put on the taco pizza, they just wanted regular mozzarella.

I said, “So basically you want a hamburger pizza with taco sauce?”

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**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/34 "2010-09-17T19:02:10Z")

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Chicago Dog without the sport peppers.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/35 "2010-09-17T19:16:39Z")

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> [@Chronos](#):
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> > [@](#):
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> > I like to order a chicken salad sandwich on wheat toast. Hold the butter, the lettuce, the mayonnaise, and the chicken.
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> So that’s, what, toast with celery?

Sliced in five pieces. That way it’s easy.

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**Author:** ![LateComer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b5ac83/32.png) [@LateComer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LateComer)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/36 "2010-09-17T19:36:53Z")

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> [@DCnDC](#):
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> > [@MaxTheVool](#):
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> > Any baked good with raisins is better without raisins. WAY better.
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> > I don’t hate raisins, but boy do they not belong in baked goods.
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> Exactly. Raisins are fine alone, but I hate them as an _ingredient_.
> 
> Cooked, soft celery in soup or stew is fine, good even, but I hate raw celery in anything.

Agree about raisins, one of my favorite cookies is oatmeal cookies w/o the raisins. My wife refuses to make them like that and so I eat the raisins first and save the cookie for last.

I’m the opposite with celery: hate cooked celery, love it raw.

I’ll add eggnog and french toast both of which I make without nutmeg-hate the stuff though I can live with it if it’s not a lot. I use cinnamon instead.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/37 "2010-09-17T19:45:01Z")

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I never even knew that French toast was supposed to have nutmeg. Or any other spice, for that matter. I’ve always had it just as bread fried in an egg/milk mixture.

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**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/38 "2010-09-17T19:47:08Z")

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> [@Chronos](#):
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> > Cheesesteak, hold the onions please.
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> Not a key ingredient. With onions is certainly more common than without, but if you don’t specify with or without when ordering, they’ll ask: There’s no default. The only really key ingredients are the meat and the bun.

Wouldn’t the main ingredients in cheesesteak be…cheese and steak?

Personally, I can’t think of any. I’m strongly against all forms of mayonnaise, but there aren’t really any foods that need mayo - maybe tuna/chicken salad? I don’t eat those.

A coworker of mine is vegan, and he comes in with some really interesting dishes that you’d never think would work. For instance: a bologne sandwich. How the hell does a vegan eat a bologne sandwich without the bologne?! Answer: you get tofu bologne, it tastes EXACTLY like bologne (i.e. disgusting).

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**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\
**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/39 "2010-09-17T20:18:15Z")

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Chimming in as a non-fan of olives and kraut.

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**Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/40 "2010-09-17T20:21:09Z")

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I like eggs, bacon, Spam and sausage without the Spam.

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