# I like \[this dish\], only without \[the key ingredient of that dish\]. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 16, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017 "2010-09-16T21:45:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/41 "2010-09-17T20:22:58Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > > [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > > > Gumbo without the okra > > Ain’t no such animal. Sure there is! As mentioned, filé gumbo is certainly a traditional form of gumbo, and has no okra. Also, there are roux-based gumbos without okra or filé, but on that you can convince me that’s not “true” gumbo. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/42 "2010-09-17T22:02:26Z")
Liver and onions is delicious if you get rid of the liver. ---
**Author:** ![Tethered\_Kite](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a5b964/32.png) [@Tethered\_Kite](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tethered_Kite)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/43 "2010-09-17T23:17:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > > [@Chronos](#): > > > > So that’s, what, toast with celery? > > Sliced in five pieces. That way it’s easy. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/44 "2010-09-17T23:23:52Z")
For me, it would have to be chicken or egg salad without the raw celery. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of those philistines who will refuse to eat said dish(es) if it _does_ happen to contain celery, but I do prefer it without the stuff, as I’m not at all fond of raw celery. ---
**Author:** ![MTCicero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a4c791/32.png) [@MTCicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MTCicero)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/45 "2010-09-17T23:25:22Z")
> [@Biggirl](#): > > Caeser salad, hold the anchovies please. Even in the dressing? ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/46 "2010-09-17T23:25:55Z")
> [@Nava](#): > > > [@Quartz](#): > > > > When I make mayonnaise I don’t add vinegar. There’s some in the Dijon mustard I use anyway, but beyond that, nada. > > I know that what you guys call mayonnaise has very little relationship to the Spanish sauce, but the Spanish sauce doesn’t have vinegar. bloody heretics, invent your own food names! Mayo as a sauce? Do tell! ---
**Author:** ![gwendee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@gwendee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gwendee)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/47 "2010-09-17T23:31:19Z")
> [@LateComer](#): > > > [@DCnDC](#): > > > > Exactly. Raisins are fine alone, but I hate them as an _ingredient_. > > > > Cooked, soft celery in soup or stew is fine, good even, but I hate raw celery in anything. > > Agree about raisins, one of my favorite cookies is oatmeal cookies w/o the raisins. **My wife refuses to make them like that and so I eat the raisins first and save the cookie for last.** > > I’m the opposite with celery: hate cooked celery, love it raw. > > I’ll add eggnog and french toast both of which I make without nutmeg-hate the stuff though I can live with it if it’s not a lot. I use cinnamon instead. Huh? It’s really easy to make a batch and only put raisins in half. I’ve never used nutmeg to make french toast and i do like the stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2010, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/48 "2010-09-17T23:45:42Z")
I sometimes order Chicken Marsala and then pick out the mushrooms. They add a flavor to the meal when cooked with them, but I hate the actual texture of them. I think I might try the same with broccoli in chili and/or fajitas (even though broccoli is not a traditional ingredient.) It adds a bitter taste to the dish that I like some times even though I don’t like eating the straight up pieces of broccoli that are in the meal. But throwing out something you cook something in seems wasteful. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/49 "2010-09-18T00:04:59Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > Rumaki without the chicken livers - just bacon wrapped around a water chestnut, and baked. actually you can make it with subbing in scallops for the nasty icky liver +) and I once saw someone on a cooking porn show make it with a nugget of wagyu beef instead of the liver. I would like to try either or both of those … ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/50 "2010-09-18T00:32:09Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I like to order a chicken salad sandwich on wheat toast. Hold the butter, the lettuce, the mayonnaise, and the chicken. Do you ask the waitress to hold it between her knees? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/51 "2010-09-18T00:33:23Z")
> [@Maggie\_the\_Ocelot](#): > > California rolls, hold the Avocado. I loathe avocado, so :thumbs up: to that! ---
**Author:** ![BayouHazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BayouHazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayouHazard)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/52 "2010-09-18T00:45:53Z")
Since I’m vegan (except for honey) if I want pizza, it’s _got_ to be a cheeseless pizza. There really aren’t any vegan cheese substitutes that actually approximate cheese-I can make a cheeselike sauce, but taste and texture of cheese in a vegan version-nope. It all has casein in it. Believe it or not, if I manage to pull off a good whole-wheat yeast-raised crust, cheeseless pizza’s most excellent-like a ciabatta with a tomato sauce and veggies baked on top. But I’m trying to lose the last 20 pounds, so I haven’t been doing _that sort of thing_ lately. Maybe I should make a teeny-tiny one. Wow…somebody hates avocado? more for me:) ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/53 "2010-09-18T00:58:11Z")
I like chicken cordon bleu without the ham. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/54 "2010-09-18T02:04:04Z")
> [@missred](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Ain’t no such animal. > > What? :eek: What about file gumbo when okra’s not in season? > > My response to the OP would be lemon merangue pie sans merangue. Blech! > [@Tethered\_Kite](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Ain’t no such animal. > > Wasn’t that the point? Liking a dish without its key ingredient? > [@pulykamell](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > Ain’t no such animal. > > Sure there is! As mentioned, filé gumbo is certainly a traditional form of gumbo, and has no okra. Also, there are roux-based gumbos without okra or filé, but on that you can convince me that’s not “true” gumbo. Nope. Sorry. I got the manual\* right here, and it clearly says “Thy Gumbo shalt contain okra”. Those variants mentioned, while tasty, are not Gumbo. They may be described as “gumbo-like” “sorta-bo” "“stuff we made when we wanted Gumbo but were out of okra”“faux-bo”, “authentic Cajun-style food product” or “Yankees might eat this instead of the real thing”. \*Oak’s Utterly Mythical Compendium of Ultimate Truth on Many Subjects ---
**Author:** ![tr0psn4j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@tr0psn4j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tr0psn4j)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/55 "2010-09-18T04:34:15Z")
> [@Fried\_Dough\_Ho](#): > > You are all philistines… Took the words right out of my mouth. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/56 "2010-09-18T06:24:48Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > “Yankees might eat this instead of the real thing”. Filé powder is hardly a Northern thing. (Add to that I’ve never even seen filé gumbo in the North.) There is even speculation that the word “gumbo” comes from the Choctaw word _kombo_, meaning “sassafras,” which is what filé powder is. (However, the more popular etymology is that it’s probably from a Bantu word meaning “okra.” Rather neat coincidence.) At any rate, if you look up gumbo recipes going way back to the early 1900s, filé and okra are both common. Certain gumbos are associated with certain thickeners. For example, chicken and sausage gumbo should be (in my opinion) a filé gumbo. Shrimp gumbo should be okra. And never the twain shall meet in the same recipe. No filé and okra gumbos. It must be one or the other. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/57 "2010-09-18T07:12:23Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > > [@Oakminster](#): > > > > “Yankees might eat this instead of the real thing”. > > Filé powder is hardly a Northern thing. (Add to that I’ve never even seen filé gumbo in the North.) There is even speculation that the word “gumbo” comes from the Choctaw word _kombo_, meaning “sassafras,” which is what filé powder is. (However, the more popular etymology is that it’s probably from a Bantu word meaning “okra.” Rather neat coincidence.) > > At any rate, if you look up gumbo recipes going way back to the early 1900s, filé and okra are both common. Certain gumbos are associated with certain thickeners. For example, chicken and sausage gumbo should be (in my opinion) a filé gumbo. Shrimp gumbo should be okra. And never the twain shall meet in the same recipe. No filé and okra gumbos. It must be one or the other. Sigh. It’s humor. Read the small print. ---
**Author:** ![Girl\_From\_Mars](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/3da27b/32.png) [@Girl\_From\_Mars](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Girl_From_Mars)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 9:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/58 "2010-09-18T09:57:35Z")
> [@BayouHazard](#): > > Since I’m vegan (except for honey) if I want pizza, it’s _got_ to be a cheeseless pizza. There really aren’t any vegan cheese substitutes that actually approximate cheese. I’m in Australia and haven’t tried it, but I’ve heard good things about Daiya cheese - meant to be very melty. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/59 "2010-09-18T12:04:15Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Sigh. It’s humor. Read the small print. Yes, I read the fine print. ---
**Author:** ![Lobsang](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobsang/32/4067_2.png) [@Lobsang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobsang)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-like-this-dish-only-without-the-key-ingredient-of-that-dish/554017/60 "2010-09-18T16:20:15Z")
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