# I liked "Star Trek: First Contact", but... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 15, 2010, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073 "2010-02-15T15:39:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/21 "2010-02-23T03:44:39Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > His problem with that is that the only reason to be using the tubes is if you are wanting to avoid the hallways, and yet, a few scenes later, you see them walking down the hallway. > > I agree that the guy was pulling for straws to make fun of this one (as he pretty much had to.) But he did make some good points. Movie Picard really is quite different from TV Picard. And for somebody who watched TNG for the characterization, I bet that would be annoying. I think they were just avoiding the hallways until he could get to the Holosuite so he could get ahold of the gun. ---
**Author:** ![Windwalker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/5e9695/32.png) [@Windwalker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Windwalker)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/22 "2010-02-23T06:04:43Z")
My God, The Phantom Menace review is one of the greatest things I’ve ever seen. I’m almost glad that the movie was such utter shite since it was able to spawn such meticulously and hilariously constructed nerdrage. ---
**Author:** ![2ply](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/b2d939/32.png) [@2ply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2ply)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/23 "2010-02-23T06:24:08Z")
> [@Camus](#): > > Except he doesn’t mention that. He instead talks about how the Federation is constantly falling back when world after world is being assimilated, but we never see or hear about that. In the movie, they go directly for Earth and there isn’t any mention of any other planets falling along the way. I always understoof the “we” in Picard’s speech to refer to all the non-Borg races in the galaxy, not merely the Federation. All the free non-assimilated races of the galaxy fall back as the Borg expand and grow more poweful. It’s the 24th century Domino Theory. ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/24 "2010-02-23T09:00:08Z")
> [@2ply](#): > > I always understoof the “we” in Picard’s speech to refer to all the non-Borg races in the galaxy, not merely the Federation. All the free non-assimilated races of the galaxy fall back as the Borg expand and grow more poweful. It’s the 24th century Domino Theory. Who’s ever space it was, the point remains - we never see or really hear about whole worlds being assimilated, particularly in the movie where it would count the most. From what I can remember of the tv show, the closest you get to any of that are some craters on a few distant, sparsely-populated colonies and Guinan’s story, which itself is vague and confusing. Certainly nothing that resembles anyone constantly retreating and falling back. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/25 "2010-02-23T10:41:59Z")
> [@Spatial\_Rift\_47](#): > > And this confuses him to the point where he can’t understand what the Borg are trying to do. Hey, Captain Valium - those are the same damn thing. If you stop the epochal, establishing event of Federation history, you prevent humanity from being a threat to the Borg two hundred years later If the Borg landed far before First Contact, there wouldn’t be an Earth to have First Contact with. If they’re able to precisely insert themselves into the past so, why not arrive several decades before? Have some sort of orbital cannon working to blast the Vulcans to smithereens? Be prepared to assimilate the Vulcans _too_. Why not use the time ball to go back before _any_ race could oppose them and have fun with the galaxy? > [@Spatial\_Rift\_47](#): > > Okay, so the Borg were carrying a rather large idiot ball. But it’s consistent with their characterization - they are arrogant to a fault. It’s implied elsewhere in Trek that the Borg are very very old, and very very accustomed to getting exactly what they want. Is that in Voyager? If so I didn’t catch that much of the show to pick up on that. But it seems more likely that the Borg thought they could make a go at things having previously swatted a Federation fleet at Wolf 359 and the Feds seemingly not having picked up the ball since then. What was surprising was that having heard Picard over the coms, they didn’t immediately annihilate him and the Enterprise on arrival at Earth. ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/26 "2010-02-23T13:03:58Z")
> [@Pushkin](#): > > Why not use the time ball to go back before _any_ race could oppose them and have fun with the galaxy? Because the Borg want to find technologically advanced races. They want to assimilate new technology, not just rule over non-tech races. ---
**Author:** ![Pushkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@Pushkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pushkin)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/27 "2010-02-23T13:37:32Z")
They’ve already had human technology, several times over, nothing has changed save the names of the torpedoes. All they seek now it seems is the flesh. ---
**Author:** ![FordTaurusSHO94](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f07891/32.png) [@FordTaurusSHO94](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordTaurusSHO94)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/28 "2010-02-23T15:12:30Z")
Has there been any explanation of what happened to the Borg after the severe beating that Janeway gave them? The Narada supposedly had Borg technology, but I’m not sure where that came from. I think Janeway brought a lot of Borg tech from the future, I’d be curious to see how it was used throughout The Federation. ---
**Author:** ![Icerigger](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icerigger/32/432_2.png) [@Icerigger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icerigger)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/29 "2010-02-23T15:54:00Z")
At least the fleet performed better than it did at Wolf 359.😉 ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073/30 "2010-02-23T17:11:34Z")
Great movie. My favorite line: “There are times when I envy you, Mr. Data.” Just saw on PBS on Sunday night a remake of Jane Austen’s _Persuasion_. Imagine my surprise to see Alice Krige (the deliciously evil and scheming Borg Queen) as a prim and proper British noblewoman. > [@FordTaurusSHO94](#): > > Has there been any explanation of what happened to the Borg after the severe beating that Janeway gave them? The Narada supposedly had Borg technology, but I’m not sure where that came from. I think Janeway brought a lot of Borg tech from the future, I’d be curious to see how it was used throughout The Federation. From an Amazon review I saw, I guess the latest series of ST novels have the Borg becoming extremely aggressive - they’re out to kill, not to assimilate. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-liked-star-trek-first-contact-but/529073.md?page=1)