# I LOVE Dan Savage! (Prop 8 debate with Tony Perkins) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 13, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609 "2008-11-13T22:11:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![xanthous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/53a042/32.png) [@xanthous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xanthous)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/1 "2008-11-13T22:11:12Z")
I’ve loved listening to his _Savage Love_ podcasts, and thought he pwned Tony Perkins in [this AC360 debate about Prop 8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTySVskUcrU) last night on CNN. Yes, he talked over Perkins a bit, but I love how he said, “You strip me of my rights and I interrupt you, who’s really suffering here?” I think Dan’s an articulate, illustrative spokesperson for gay rights. I hope to hear more from him on this! ---
**Author:** ![Sailboat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sailboat/32/461_2.png) [@Sailboat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sailboat)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/2 "2008-11-13T23:46:12Z")
Did you see this week’s Savage Love column? Dan Savage [turns pretty sarcastic](http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=758782) toward straight boys worrying about how gay their sex lives might be. I was a little surprised to see his Mormon spokesbigot opponent endorse defining what religious practice will be legal based on majority vote. Perhaps we can get a majority-vote proposition on the ballot concerning the religious practices of the Latter-Day Saints. Think they’ll like that? ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Fight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/3 "2008-11-13T23:49:22Z")
THANK YOU for posting this. I’m going to play it while I read his latest column and listen to his podcast. You can never get too much Dan Savage. ---
**Author:** ![xanthous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/53a042/32.png) [@xanthous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xanthous)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/4 "2008-11-14T00:08:01Z")
> [@Sailboat](#): > > Did you see this week’s Savage Love column? Dan Savage [turns pretty sarcastic](http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=758782) toward straight boys worrying about how gay their sex lives might be. Those answers were great. ---
**Author:** ![ftg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ftg/32/2801_2.png) [@ftg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ftg)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 11:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/5 "2008-11-14T11:26:39Z")
He lost all my respect when he _supported_ Larry Craig’s right to have sex in public bathrooms. Claim it’s not in public. This is major issue the gay community is in denial about. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/6 "2008-11-14T12:35:02Z")
Moving thread from IMHO to MPSIMS. ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/7 "2008-11-14T14:34:33Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > He lost all my respect when he _supported_ Larry Craig’s right to have sex in public bathrooms. Claim it’s not in public. > > This is major issue the gay community is in denial about. But this isn’t an issue we’re campaigning for, nor is it actually any different for straight people so there is parity in the law. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/8 "2008-11-14T15:10:37Z")
It’s a rare person that can break Colbert, but [Savage did it](http://www.hulu.com/watch/43974/the-colbert-report-proposition-8-protests---dan-savage#s-p1-st-i1). ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/9 "2008-11-14T15:27:54Z")
Is there a link to that clip that non-US people can watch? ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Dave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/46a35a/32.png) [@Great\_Dave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Dave)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/10 "2008-11-14T15:40:12Z")
try [The Colbert Report - TV Series | Comedy Central US](http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/210299/november-11-2008/proposition-8-protests---dan-savage) It’s pretty funny. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/11 "2008-11-14T16:16:53Z")
:smack: Sorry, I keep forgetting Hulu is American-only. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/12 "2008-11-14T17:13:57Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > He lost all my respect when he _supported_ Larry Craig’s right to have sex in public bathrooms. Claim it’s not in public. > > This is major issue the gay community is in denial about. _All_ your respect? _Major_ issue? Sounds like a rather minor point of disagreement to me. ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/13 "2008-11-14T18:03:03Z")
> [@Great\_Dave](#): > > try [Comedy Central Shows & Movies - Watch on Paramount+](http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/210299/november-11-2008/proposition-8-protests---dan-savage) > > It’s pretty funny. Also blocked in UK ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/14 "2008-11-14T18:34:18Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > He lost all my respect when he _supported_ Larry Craig’s right to have sex in public bathrooms. Claim it’s not in public. That would, I believe, make him the first gay I’ve heard who _didn’t_ think Craig broke the law. > [@](#): > > This is major issue the gay community is in denial about. Forget about the denial part, how is this a “major” issue? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/15 "2008-11-14T20:13:01Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > He lost all my respect when he _supported_ Larry Craig’s right to have sex in public bathrooms. Claim it’s not in public. Do you have a link to what Dan said about Larry Craig? I’d like to read it. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/16 "2008-11-14T21:20:34Z")
> **[Logo TV | Homepage | Watch on logotv.com](https://www.logotv.com/)** > > Explore all sides of the LGBTQ+ experience from a diverse array of creators, featuring competition series, reality TV, scripted shows, news and more. I don’t see that as support. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Weird\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7bcc69/32.png) [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/17 "2008-11-14T21:50:22Z")
> [@ftg](#): > > He lost all my respect when he _supported_ Larry Craig’s right to have sex in public bathrooms. Claim it’s not in public. > > This is major issue the gay community is in denial about. > [@Procrustus](#): > > [Logo TV](http://www.afterelton.com/blog/michaeljensen/dan-savage-cnn-larry-craig) > > I don’t see that as support. From **Procustus** ’ link: > [@Interviewer](#): > > Going into a bathroom to have anonymous sex with someone you don’t even know is, in and of itself, just creepy, isn’t it? > [@Dan Savage](#): > > Oh, it is creepy… it is an inappropriate way of acting out, and it is the way the culture used to accommodate gays and lesbians… That’s just part of the interview where Dan Savage makes it abundantly clear that he does _not_ support trolling for or having sex in public bathrooms. **Ftg** , where did you hear otherwise? ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/18 "2008-11-14T21:52:13Z")
Yes, that seems pretty clear to me too - Savage is categorically against the practice. ---
**Author:** ![spoike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/da6949/32.png) [@spoike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spoike)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/19 "2008-11-14T22:37:40Z")
> [@xanthous](#): > > …I love how he said, “You strip me of my rights and I interrupt you, who’s really suffering here?”… That was one of my my two favourite things Dan said. The other was at the end when he said, in reference to the ‘studies’ showing that children are healthiest when raised by a mother and a father, “Funded by bigots, for bigots, to justify bigotry, the studies you cite have all the validity of tobacco institute studies in the '70s that said smoking was safe.” I don’t know if Dan has a whole bunch of clever responses that he thinks up ahead of time, or if everything is just off the cuff, but, man, he’s good, either way. He’s absolutely one of my heroes. Thank you for sharing the link, **xanthous**. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609/20 "2008-11-14T22:57:46Z")
> [@xanthous](#): > > I’ve loved listening to his _Savage Love_ podcasts, and thought he pwned Tony Perkins in [this AC360 debate about Prop 8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTySVskUcrU) last night on CNN. Yes, he talked over Perkins a bit, but I love how he said, “You strip me of my rights and I interrupt you, who’s really suffering here?” > > I think Dan’s an articulate, illustrative spokesperson for gay rights. I hope to hear more from him on this! Dan is awesome. But I disagree with the praise over that sentence. Actually, let me be more clear: we have to define what the purpose of the show is, first. If Dan’s goal is to have a fair debate with Joe Stickupmyass, then he fails. But Dan’s purpose is to be an effective advocate for his cause with the viewers, and by that measure, the line is a rousing success. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-dan-savage-prop-8-debate-with-tony-perkins/472609.md?page=2)