# I love Justice League Unlimited **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 1, 2004, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803 "2004-08-01T01:54:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jeff\_Lodoen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b3f665/32.png) [@Jeff\_Lodoen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jeff_Lodoen)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/21 "2004-08-02T06:21:00Z")
The Return Of The Detroit Three… I can’t believe it! Call Professor Ivo, quick! ---
**Author:** ![Muad\_Dib](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/35a633/32.png) [@Muad\_Dib](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muad_Dib)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/22 "2004-08-02T06:22:47Z")
> [@Ranchoth](#): > > In a recent episode, “How Long is Forever,” where Starfire was thrown forward 20-odd years into the (rather bleak) future, there’s a scene with two teenage punks taunting a caged Beast Boy. The punks’ appearance is pretty clearly based on the “Mutants” gang from DKR. Ahhh… I should have caught that. ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/23 "2004-08-02T06:38:08Z")
Since Hawk Girl left the Justice League at the end of the first series, I hope it’ll be a while before she’s in JLU. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/24 "2004-08-02T13:17:09Z")
Thanks to this thread, I was able to catch (and tape!) the repeat showing yesterday. There are few things in this world that make me collapse into fits of ecstatic laughter, and this episode managed that. GA’s characterization was spot-on perfect. Captain Atom and Supergirl were very good too. Watching this, I felt compelled to buy all box sets that ever emerge for any of the DCU cartoons. Maybe there’s a subliminal message. And amongst the gathered heroes… well, I was surprised at the plethora presented. I shall review the tape and try to identify as many as possible. My own problem with the DCU animated universe is that because of the simplified continuity, they’ve screwed themselves out of some very good characters… IE : Flash I, Flash II, Green Lantern I and II, and Hawkman. So while we see JSAer’s Johnny Thunder (and the T-Bolt), Mr. Terrific II, Wildcat, Dr. Fate, Sand, Atom-Smasher, Stargirl, etc., we’ll never get the original team. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/25 "2004-08-02T14:11:59Z")
I actually didn’t like it. The guitar music was horrendously overdramatic, the new base is entirely too big (what was it, DS9 with all those ships coming and going? - I thought the JL was trying to be at least a little bit covert), the good interactions are going to be tough to manage with so many people, and I really like the multipart episode format of the first series. Color me disappointed. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/26 "2004-08-02T15:15:10Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I actually didn’t like it. The guitar music was horrendously overdramatic, the new base is entirely too big (what was it, DS9 with all those ships coming and going? That was something that I was wondering about as well. What happened between crashing the original Watchtower and the start of JLU? There must have been a huge influx of capital to build, it seems, several spacestations and Javelins. Also, did anybody see Jimmy Olsen in the crowd, or am I mistaking Johnny Thunder for him? ---
**Author:** ![pravnik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8edcca/32.png) [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/27 "2004-08-02T15:22:05Z")
Ditto on the electric guitars being grating. It sounded like Brian May and Queen doing the Flash Gordon soundtrack all over again, after being told it needs to be more frenetic. ---
**Author:** ![Nobody](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/94ad74/32.png) [@Nobody](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nobody)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/28 "2004-08-02T17:42:54Z")
Only saw the last 10 minutes of it :mad: but it seemed fairly good from what I saw. I hope they don’t go the rout of nobody gets hurt like so many other American cartoons. People actually dying in the JLA cartoons gave them credibility as it made them more realistic. Also, at the risk of giving an unpopular opinion, since there are so many heros in this new series, I thought that Captain Atom exploding ment that he died, and I was pleased that Cartoon Network had the guts do something like that, until the end where he was being revived. With that many heros, it wouldn’t hurt Cartoon Network to show at least one episode where not everyone gets out alive. Oh, and finally, how many people here are familiar with the Marvel universe? I’m guessing not many because nobody has yet mentioned the similarity between the monster in the first JLU cartoon, and [Holocaust](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/xmen/images/aoa/AoA_Holocaust.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/xmen/imagesaoa1.htm&h=525&w=440&sz=163&tbnid=h5FCET5CfMIJ:&tbnh=128&tbnw=108&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3DX%2BMen%2BHolocaust%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN) ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/29 "2004-08-02T17:52:16Z")
> [@SuperNova](#): > > Honestly, I’m a little worried about the whole concept of having so many heroes in the show. Part of the great thing about the first two seasons was the interaction between all of the heroes, and their development. This could be watered down significantly this season. (Not to mention I’ll won’t get a chance to see John and Hawkgirl together again!). Don’t worry. The DCU Animated team are the best. Didn’t you catch the near-delirious John Stewart calling for “Shayera”? I think this new show is brilliant for several reasons - expands the recognition factor for several lesser heroes, allows a wide variety of merchandise to be produced for the company, allows the writers to custom-pick personalities and powers best suited for their story, and allows the continued use of top-notch voice talent - since basically, actors are going to be more willing to sign up for a short voice recording session once in a while, rather than commit to a series of such. Plus there’s an outside chance I may yet see animated Ambush Bug! Woo! Or the Phantom Stranger! I just wish I’d been watching JL previously so I’d be up on all the continuity, but it was just difficult for me to remember “Hey, it’s on!”. I didn’t pay much attention to the music, I must say… the one jarring thing for me was Captain Atom’s voice… while appropriate, it was a bit exaggeratedly nasal and dull for me - this is the man who headed Justice League Europe, after all. The character does have a sense of humor. Supergirl and GA were perfect. ---
**Author:** ![CandidGamera](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/candidgamera/32/2878_2.png) [@CandidGamera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CandidGamera)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/30 "2004-08-02T17:58:02Z")
> [@Master Control](#): > > Oh, and finally, how many people here are familiar with the Marvel universe? I’m guessing not many because nobody has yet mentioned the similarity between the monster in the first JLU cartoon, and [Holocaust](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/xmen/images/aoa/AoA_Holocaust.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/xmen/imagesaoa1.htm&h=525&w=440&sz=163&tbnid=h5FCET5CfMIJ:&tbnh=128&tbnw=108&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3DX%2BMen%2BHolocaust%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN) Oh, I am. But I didn’t think it was especially like Holocaust… the first character that came to mind was Brimstone the Fire Giant, in fact, from the DCU Legends Miniseries. Or Surtur, the Fire Giant presented in the Last Days of the Justice Society. One of the two. ---
**Author:** ![susan\_foster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d9b06d/32.png) [@susan\_foster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan_foster)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/31 "2004-08-02T18:24:57Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > I actually didn’t like it. The guitar music was horrendously overdramatic, the new base is entirely too big (what was it, DS9 with all those ships coming and going? - I thought the JL was trying to be at least a little bit covert), the good interactions are going to be tough to manage with so many people, and I really like the multipart episode format of the first series. Color me disappointed. I agree - I prefer a tighter team, with more personal interaction. And it was annoying to me how much supergirl there was in the credits - she was in every other shot. Susan ---
**Author:** ![Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Hey\_It\_s\_That\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hey_It_s_That_Guy)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/32 "2004-08-02T19:34:13Z")
> [@Master Control](#): > > Oh, and finally, how many people here are familiar with the Marvel universe? I’m guessing not many because nobody has yet mentioned the similarity between the monster in the first JLU cartoon, and [Holocaust](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/xmen/images/aoa/AoA_Holocaust.jpg&imgrefurl=http://ultimatecomics.free.fr/xmen/imagesaoa1.htm&h=525&w=440&sz=163&tbnid=h5FCET5CfMIJ:&tbnh=128&tbnw=108&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3DX%2BMen%2BHolocaust%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN) Actually, the monster was Brimstone, a character from the DC miniseries Legends, from around 1987 (predating Marvel’s Holocaust by almost a decade). ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/33 "2004-08-02T20:00:51Z")
Can we also safely assume that they’re bringing Supergirl back, and that the Kara Jor-El currently in **Superman/Batman** is the real deal? Or does this run pre-Crisis? ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/34 "2004-08-02T20:16:31Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Can we also safely assume that they’re bringing Supergirl back, and that the Kara Jor-El currently in **Superman/Batman** is the real deal? Or does this run pre-Crisis? They’re unrelated. Don’t look to the animated shows to give you insight on comic book continuity or vice-versa because they both exist as separate, self-contained universes. Sorry. The _JLU_ series is both pre and post Crisis at the same time, depending on what works best for the series. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/35 "2004-08-02T23:03:05Z")
I wanna se Captain Marvel! Mary Marvel! Captain Marvel Jr.! ---
**Author:** ![JThunder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e95f7d/32.png) [@JThunder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JThunder)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2004, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/36 "2004-08-02T23:52:55Z")
Please, **Bosda** , let us know how you feel. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/7ea924/32.png) [@Wolfian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolfian)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/37 "2004-08-03T00:30:35Z")
> [@adam yax](#): > > Of course there is no mention of the true hero of the episode - The Inanimate Carbon Rod. Damn, beat me to it… by 24 hours. So it took a broken heart and almost having his planet demolished for a Thangarian highway for Jon to lose the bald fade? Get with the times, Stewart! This is definately a new show. I enjoyed it, but I’m going to miss the old, tight original seven. I enjoy Mr. Timm’s women 🙂 . ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/38 "2004-08-03T06:19:58Z")
> [@Kilt-wearin' man](#): > > They’re unrelated. Don’t look to the animated shows to give you insight on comic book continuity or vice-versa because they both exist as separate, self-contained universes. Sorry. The _JLU_ series is both pre and post Crisis at the same time, depending on what works best for the series. I thought they said they were cousins? ---
**Author:** ![Kilt-wearin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/82dd89/32.png) [@Kilt-wearin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kilt-wearin_man)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/39 "2004-08-03T14:02:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I thought they said they were cousins? And on this show in this continuity, they are - because that’s the version of Supergirl this incarnation of the character is based on. They could very easily decide to include Steel and the current clone Superboy without going through the death of Superman storyline if those characters would work well in a good script - this animated series and the previous ones have no continuity ties to the comics other than the creative team picking and choosing origin material and occasional plotlines. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2004, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803/40 "2004-08-03T14:29:47Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I thought they said they were cousins? I think he meant that the comic DCU and the cartoon DCU are unrelated - not Kara and Kal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-justice-league-unlimited/257803.md?page=3)