# I love Tarantino, but... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 17, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444 "2016-04-17T05:37:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/1 "2016-04-17T05:37:54Z")
Hateful Eight was aweful. I just saw it. Too much overacting. The dialog was cliché and over the top (Quinton, kill your darlings!). I’m usually a fan of long movies but this thing just would not end. I know I’m in the minority here, I’ve read all the online reviews. But honestly I don’t get it. It all takes place inside of a cabin (Reservoir Dogs, the western) how in the hell did he manage to spend $60 million on it. My mind boggles. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/2 "2016-04-17T14:36:05Z")
I don’t think you’re in the minority here, if you mean something like a 90-10 ratio love/hate ratio. I’d say 60/40 on this boards. Taking place mostly in the cabin is OK. It creates a claustrophobic feeling. You don’t know who is who, who is on your side or not. It’s obviously [del]stealing[/del] homaging Russell’s version of The Thing. Dragging out the ending may have been a deliberate homage too, but I think it was just interminable. The TruFans say QT loves old films, and makes modern versions of what he’d want to see. I think lately more that he hates his audience and sees how much he can insult them before they realize and he looses them\*. He hasn’t obviously reached that point yet. \*Just like Donald Trump ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/3 "2016-04-17T14:49:00Z")
It was a well-made movie, but I think Tarantino has started to enjoy killing people just a \*little \*bit too much. ---
**Author:** ![EBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@EBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EBird)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/4 "2016-04-17T15:01:50Z")
The flim never took off. It was nice to hear Samuel L. yell dialogue and Kurt recreate the blood test scene from The Thing but not 3 hours nice. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/5 "2016-04-17T16:09:27Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > The TruFans say QT loves old films, and makes modern versions of what he’d want to see. I’m not a TruFan, but I like his movies. Why not take him at his word, that he loves old films and makes modern versions of them? That’s what he likes, and that’s what he makes. I grew up with the films Tarantino pays homage to, so I ‘get it’. To me, they’re fun. A friend’s second feature film had this premise: What if Jean-Luc Godard directed a George Romero zombie film with a Roger Corman script and budget? It’s been called the worst film ever made. (Christian Science Monitor gave it a good review.) If you’re familiar with Godard and Romero and Corman, and if you understand the concept of the film, there’s a very good chance that you’ll find it hilarious. Same with many of Tarantino’s films. I often find myself nodding and chuckling. Note: I’m not saying, ‘Well if you didn’t like it, you didn’t “get it”.’ I’m just saying that this is the kind of film Tarantino makes, and you know that going in. I liked _Kill Bill_, but I was never a huge fan of the kung fu films when I was growing up. There were some scenes in those films that I thought went on entirely too long. I got it, but there you are. I still liked the films, though. I finally saw _The Hateful Eight_ a couple of days ago. Mrs. L.A. didn’t like the dialogue (‘Nigger this, and Nigger that’). She loved Jennifer Jason Leigh’s character. But she only watched half of the film. Like **JAQ** , John Carpenter’s _The Thing_ came immediately to mind. I knew what I was getting into, and the overacting is intentional. I like _Reservoir Dogs_ and _Pulp Fiction_ better, but I didn’t see much wrong with _The Hateful Eight_. > [@White SIFL](#): > > how in the hell did he manage to spend $60 million on it. My mind boggles. From what I’ve read, the production cost was $44 million, not $60 million. (I did see $62 million on a site I’ll link later.) About $16 million went to pay the cast and crew. I don’t know how much film you’ve shot, but it seems that the cost of film stock and processing doubles every time you go up a format. 65 mm film, and 70 mm for the prints, is expensive. Cameras and lenses in that format are somewhat rare, so they are expensive to rent. It was filmed in a fairly remote location in difficult conditions. Personally I think films cost too much to make. [This page](http://hollywood-movies.yoexpert.com/movies/what-is-the-average-movie-budget-for-a-hollywood-m-1403.html) concludes that the average big-budget movie costs $139 million to make. Unfortunately the author forgot to divide by 33 (the number of films in his example). Using his numbers, the average cost of a film would be about $4.2 million. [The Numbers](http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/budgets/all) website lists films by production budget (descending). I don’t know if those figures include marketing costs, which [\*The Hollywood Reporter](http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/200-million-rising-hollywood-struggles-721818) says has risen to $200 million for some films. I also don’t know if the numbers are adjusted for inflation. In any case, _The Hateful Eight_ is #710 on the list. You _can_ make movies for much less. Robert Rodriquez famously made _El Mariachi_ for $7,500. (IIRC Columbia Pictures spent about $350,000 to put it in a form in which it could be distributed.) It made over $2 million. According to IMDb, _The Blair Witch Project_ cost about $60,000 and grossed almost $250 million. (That one had a helluva marketing campaign. People actually believed it was real.) But in general you have to spend a few million for a film – especially when you have ‘names’ in it. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2016, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/6 "2016-04-17T16:11:50Z")
The movie had its good points but absolutely was 30 minutes too long. At least. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/7 "2016-04-18T03:46:36Z")
@ Johnny (mostly), I get his movies in general. I like the fact that he makes “homage” movies. Loved Jackie Brown for instance. The 2 things that Tarentino is know for is violence and dialog. In my opinion he does them both exceedingly well. I know some people are bothered by extreme violence, I’m not. But in this movie the violence looked almost like a spoof of his movies. WAY overdone. Hokey. But the thing that was really disappointing to me was the dialog. Again, I like Quinton’s movies. I especially like his dialog. Think of the cafe scene in Reservoir Dogs, sublime! Or The Dennis Hopper/Christopher Walken scene in True Romance. So it’s not like I walked in to one of his movies cold. I “get” him. I just think the writing in this movie was sub-par. Terrible in fact. Terrible, not in comparison to other movies in general but terrible in comparison to his other movies. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/8 "2016-04-18T05:07:10Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Note: I’m not saying, ‘Well if you didn’t like it, you didn’t “get it”.’ I’m just saying that this is the kind of film Tarantino makes, and you know that going in. I know you’re **not** making this argument, but it often goes along with discussion of QT films, so I’ll address it. I know what kind of films he makes. He makes quirky films, homage films, fun films, enjoyable films. But, that just doesn’t mean _every film_ he make is a good film. Just because he makes clever references and homages to other films doesn’t mean he’s always doing a good job. I think he needs to be reigned in from his excesses. He needs someone to tell him no, just once in a while. QT is good, but he’s no Mozart, and H8 has too many “notes”. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-love-tarantino-but/752444/9 "2016-04-18T07:33:51Z")
What I loved most about this movie was that it felt like a stage play- and a classic stage play at that. It reminded me of _The Time of Your Life_ or _The Iceman Cometh_. I was just thoroughly delighted to find myself being reminded of William Saroyan and Eugene O’Neill while watching a mainstream Hollywood film in 2015. There was a bit more blood though- I did notice that.