# I may actually go insane with anger **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 18, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848 "2012-08-18T03:04:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/341 "2012-08-21T02:18:27Z")
Just because it’s a pile-on doesn’t mean the person is not also in the wrong. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/342 "2012-08-21T02:34:01Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Just because it’s a pile-on doesn’t mean the person is not also in the wrong. Well, I have an almost-pathological fear of planned, organized, ritualized group behavior, so maybe I’m biased, but I may have to disagree. Look, either someone can be talked out of their stance on a subject, or they CAN’T. A multi-page pile-on is more than what’s required to determine if they can be talked out of it. At this point you’re engaging in ritual shaming and humiliation. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/343 "2012-08-21T02:40:14Z")
I don’t believe that you believe that anything in this thread is “planned, organized, ritualized.” ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/344 "2012-08-21T02:43:14Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Wow, you’re really convincing me. > > Have any of you people ever seen that Chris Rock bit about “Black People vs. Niggers”? Yeah, I have. I’ve also seen other comedians ragging on the racist idiots who adore that one bit of Chris Rock’s humor–I think even Rock himself has rolled his eyes in chagrin at it a time or two. No, his deliberately rough and provocative bit does not give you permission to say “nigger,” nor does it mean you can say it without being a racist. You seriously need to check your behavior; it’d be hilarious if it weren’t such a pathetic cliche. **Bricker** once quoted a Russian (?) proverb around here: “When ten people say you’re drunk, go lie down.” Think about it. ---
**Author:** ![zweisamkeit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zweisamkeit/32/4360_2.png) [@zweisamkeit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zweisamkeit)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/345 "2012-08-21T02:45:02Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I had relatives that would have choked on their own tongue before they would have been so crass as to call a person of color a “Black”. But there’s a big difference between “Black” (an adjective) and “ **a** (I would include **the** , as well) Black” (a noun). ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/346 "2012-08-21T02:53:28Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > If you guys think I’m the enemy, I don’t know what to tell you. I sometimes have to hide my LACK of racism from people, to avoid getting into an argument. If racism were bestiality, you’d be sneaking into the barn to lick udders. You’re not as bad as the guy rogering Flossie, but I’d still chase you off my farm, pervert. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/347 "2012-08-21T02:56:07Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > I don’t believe that you believe that anything in this thread is “planned, organized, ritualized.” ??? I could link to quite a few posts of mine on OTHER message boards about how much I hate dogpiling, and my reasons for it, and my fear of ritualized group behavior. I think I’ve even deplored dogpiling here at least once or twice. Do you really think I’m toying with you? I assure you, I’m being quite real. I use those words often when joking, but pretty much never in seriousness. I literally can only think of that one time in my life when I’ve used the N-word seriously. If I were really a racist, given my explosive temper, I assure you, it would have happened a lot more. ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/348 "2012-08-21T02:58:15Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If racism were bestiality, you’d be sneaking into the barn to lick udders. You’re not as bad as the guy rogering Flossie, but I’d still chase you off my farm, pervert. I just don’t even know how to respond. Are you drunk? ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/349 "2012-08-21T03:00:53Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Yeah, I have. I’ve also seen other comedians ragging on the racist idiots who adore that one bit of Chris Rock’s humor–I think even Rock himself has rolled his eyes in chagrin at it a time or two. No, his deliberately rough and provocative bit does not give you permission to say “nigger,” nor does it mean you can say it without being a racist. You seriously need to check your behavior; it’d be hilarious if it weren’t such a pathetic cliche. > > **Bricker** once quoted a Russian (?) proverb around here: “When ten people say you’re drunk, go lie down.” Think about it. Changing me to be more PC is going to be a tough sell. ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/350 "2012-08-21T03:02:51Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Changing me to be more PC is going to be a tough sell. Being PC may get a bum rap, but it comes out of the idea of exercising some self control and giving a shit about how one talks about other people who historically no one gave a shit about. So, yeah sign me up for being more PC. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/351 "2012-08-21T03:04:53Z")
“and I’m not standing up for anything except keeping it factual. That’s the difference between you people and me. I’m interested in fact.” > [@al27052](#): > > (snip)…She is a white trash hobag, probably trying to piss off her racist North Georgia redneck father by dating/marrying the LAN. That’s not a given, but it’s a pattern I’ve seen. She may also have self-esteem issues, and feel she isn’t “worthy” of a white man, and/or may find that the LAN treats her better than white men do.(snip) :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/352 "2012-08-21T03:55:29Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > “and I’m not standing up for anything except keeping it factual. That’s the difference between you people and me. I’m interested in fact.” > > :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: You’re taking my statement out of context, which isn’t shocking, given the way I’m being treated in this thread. I was actually referring to racism and the use of the N-word. My general point was that everyone else was kneejerk reacting to the word, while I was being more fact-based about it. Can this stop? I just want to be done. No one’s changing my mind, and I’m not changing anyone’s mind. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/353 "2012-08-21T04:02:55Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Can this stop? I just want to be done. I think we’re all okay with you stopping. Everyone? Are we cool with al3839043 stopping? Yeah, we’re cool with it. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/354 "2012-08-21T04:04:14Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > Just because it’s a pile-on doesn’t mean the person is not also in the wrong. This is sig-line-worthy. > [@al27052](#): > > \ > Can this stop? I just want to be done. No one’s changing my mind, and I’m not changing anyone’s mind. About all you can do about dog-piling is say your piece and then leave it alone. ETA: I’m cool with everyone stopping. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![al27052](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@al27052](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/al27052)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/355 "2012-08-21T04:14:54Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > This is sig-line-worthy. > > About all you can do about dog-piling is say your piece and then leave it alone. > > ETA: I’m cool with everyone stopping. 🙂 I guess it’s the thrill that keeps people dogpiling, when it comes right down to it. Sort of like school pep rallies, everyone gets excited, worked up, and feels good for a few minutes. Personally I don’t go in for that sort of thing, but I suppose we all have our vices. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/356 "2012-08-21T05:14:08Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > You’re taking my statement out of context, which isn’t shocking, given the way I’m being treated in this thread. I was actually referring to racism and the use of the N-word. My general point was that everyone else was kneejerk reacting to the word, while I was being more fact-based about it. > > Can this stop? I just want to be done. No one’s changing my mind, and I’m not changing anyone’s mind. You will **not** accuse me of intellectual dishonesty without a reply. I did **not** alter the context one iota. Your posts #304 and #312 (which I selectively quoted) speak for themselves, and had nothing to do with ‘racism and the n-word’, you were characterizing the driver in our little tale in your “factual” way. You used the word “ho” and such in variation several times, without knowing anything about the driver. You projected all kinds of stuff well beyond the “FACTS”. Cue the usual Inigo “I do not think that word means what you think it means”. Apologize, and **then** I’m done. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/357 "2012-08-21T10:33:23Z")
I’m as mad as I’ve ever been! ---
**Author:** ![Molotok](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Molotok](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Molotok)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/358 "2012-08-21T10:41:16Z")
You’d have to be mad to read this whole bloody thread! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/359 "2012-08-21T10:41:32Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > Changing me to be more PC is going to be a tough sell. Y’know, it’s up to you whether you continue to be racist, but if the opposite of being racist is being PC, hey, sign me up. Miss Manners once said that “PC” is actually a pejorative for “polite” created by rude bigots who want to create a new right to be rude in public, a right they never had before. Sorry, dude. You were publicly racist here, and you got called on it. Sure, you might be a really stubborn racist who won’t change his mind because your tiny brain considers that to be losing, but that doesn’t change whether you’re racist. On the bright side, you’re kind of making ducati look good by comparison. Only kind of, but that’s something. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2012, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848/360 "2012-08-21T12:22:08Z")
> [@al27052](#): > > You people just don’t understand how pervasive racism is in the Deep South… Just what exactly do you mean by _you people_? :dubious: mmm [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-may-actually-go-insane-with-anger/631848.md?page=19)