And that’s irrelevant, since they’re not recognized, every person in the USA could own one and they would still show 0.
No, I’m just proper.
I prefer to use words in a specific fashion, one that carries a meaning that is represented by the word in question.
American pit bull terrier. Those to words exist in the name of that breed, and no other. It’s incorrect to use them for another breed, whether they’re commonly used for them or not.
Fine, then. Tell me about all those Cane Corsos and Presa Canarios in the US. With the Cane Corsos being welcomed into the AKC next year, I expect to see them overtake reteivers for the most popular dog.
You are at odds with most English speaking, purebred dog folks on this. Prepare to be misunderstood, i.e., cause you’re pedantry makes you wrong.
-a choice of pet dog’s breed-
vs.
-a human being’s race-
You’re right, same thing.
wow, you really don’t think anyone has been attacked by a pit bull? second page of this PDF
Right - that’s EXACTLY what I meant. :rolleyes:
I have a 14 yr old pit female. She’s a sweetie, never even thought about trying to bite anyone, animal or human. Our cats pet her (leg swipes, cat tails held high) and cuddle with her all the time. I’ve also met some pits with animal aggression, and it’s awful. My husband is going to want to get another pit when this one passes, and I’m not looking forward to having to hope we get the good kind and not a cat cruncher.
what did you mean then? I obviously had to supply a few missing words to make sense of your post.
Might I ask why not consider a breed with less risk involved?
I have a Jack Russell Terrier who is a cat cruncher and a Rottweiller who wouldn’t hurt a flea, much less a cat, or God Forbid! a human. Humans give way too many treats and head scratches to go around hurting them.
Because, contrary to your misinformed belief, there’s really no increased risk to a Pit Bull, versus any other dog breed.
With represt to humans, no more increased risk of attack,but a much greater risk (compared to other breeds) of death from attack. My Pembroke Welsh Corgi goes after you and a good kick will clear him. A determined pit bull will take you down to Chinatown. This says nothing of attacks on other dogs*
I fell in love with our pit mix almost instantly. We’ve only had her about a month but she’s so loving and well-behaved it’s like she’s been here all her life.
I and others in this thread have been arguing that the news is riddled with false identifications of dogs as pit bulls. I presented a link to a collection of a handful of articles of false identification. You then dismissed that list, apparently because there were only 20 articles.
But I’m glad you brought up the Merritt Clifton list. Please go through it and ask yourself a few questions:
All this list does is strengthen the argument that people are terrible at correctly identifying a dog’s breed, and when they don’t know, they go with whatever breed they believe is aggressive and likely to attack.
I dismissed the list because I asked for “reliable information to support this oft spouted claim that an abundance of dog attacks were misattributed to pit bulls (American Staff, American Pit, or Staff) .” I did not get anything to support the claim that an abundance of dog attacks were misattributed to pit bulls . I got what amounts to twenty antectdotes.
You don’t like Clifton’s paper, fine. Do you really need me to find a cite of a pit bull (APBT, AmStaff, Staff) mauling a person or other dog? Want me to find 21? This thread attests to pit’s propensity to animal-animal agression. It’s one thing when your animal aggressive dog is a border terrier, quite another when it’s a pit (the difference between a go-cart with no brakles and a tractor with no brakes) . If that’s your bag cool
ever heard of a mutt? pit appologists are the ones all bent out of shape when a pit rott mix is called a pit, be glad they didnt attribute more carnage to the breed.
I’ve done rescue for a number of years. I’ve seen good and bad in all dog breeds. But, I will not take a stray dog (any breed, pit especially) into my home unless I get to fully temperament test the dog first, with my temperament test. I don’t trust the local shelter to properly temperament test the dogs, they seem to do a half-assed job of it.
What generally happens with the pits I have tested, is that they either pass with flying colors or fail miserably. They don’t just fail one aspect of the test, but multiple aspects of their personalities make them unacceptable pets.
I don’t have time to rehab a dog with aggression. I’ve tried before and it has resulted in me euthanizing the dogs because they were not trustworthy animals. I will take the time to rehab medical or shy dogs, as long as I don’t get a fear biter.
A couple of years ago I went to a dog show. By far, the friendliest dogs I met that day were a couple of Staffordshire Terriers. An obviously well-raised and well-bred dog (regardless of breed) should be social and engaging of people, but finding a well-bred pit bull in a shelter is a lost cause. You may find a well-raised one, but too many people are not willing to take that chance.
Mindless killing machines bred for only one thing.
Alls I’m sayin’
It’s like you’re reading a totally different thread.
Yes - not only do Pit owners get bent out of shape when pit/rot mixes are identified as pits, but they do so when other breeds entirely are as well. We are, in fact, saying that “they attribute more carnage to the breed”, but we’re disputing that that attribution is accurate in the slightest. Linking to over-inflated reports only undercuts your argument.
What do you want to know about them? The idea that the AKC numbers are anything like representative of dog counts in the US is absurd. The AKC only registers 150-someodd breeds, fewer than half world-wide. They only accept purebred dogs with a registration history, and they only accept breeds which purposefully pursue AKC recognition; many breeds (especially molossoid or bully-type breeds) actively avoid it for a host of reasons. There are a hefty many million dogs in the US which don’t have AKC paperwork, and that includes a whole lot of Corsos, Ambulls, Boxer mixes and an absolutely uncountable number of other breeds and crosses which are frequently mistaken for pit bulls or pit-type dogs.
You asked for reliable information to support the idea that dogs are frequently misidentified, then you got it and dismissed it because you… what, didn’t think there were enough on that particular list?
Would a study help?
So there’s at least one study showing that somewhere between 75-90% of mixed-breed dogs had been misidentified by (ostensibly) dog-knowledgeable professionals.
It wouldn’t matter how many cites you found of “pit type dogs” mauling a person or other dog. It is impossible to accurately identify a dog by breed based on phenotype, and in any case, even if you could, you have no way to identify or prove that they’re purebred (for example, if a pit boxer cross bites a person, is it the pit DNA that’s inherently evil, or the boxer, originally bred for human-targeted aggression?). If it’s the pit bull DNA which makes a dog inherently evil, do you propose a one-drop rule for determination of how much pit blood makes a dog evil? The Clifton report was debunked long ago, largely because all statistics that purport to count dog bites by breed rely on the victim’s identification. The problem is, everyone thinks they know what a pit looks like, and as has been asserted before, when a dog bite victim is reporting the incident and describing a medium-sized, square-set, square-headed dog with a short coat and stocky build, it nearly always gets reported as a “pit bull”. In any case, most dogs in the US are not purebred, and much of the time the owners don’t even know the dog’s genetic background. I know you think you have the ability to ID a pit dog in a way that no human in the world has, but the truth is, visual ID is notoriously unreliable.
As for your last, uh, analogy, that also is completely absurd. Pits are medium-sized dogs. A true game-type dog would even be considered medium-small by most standards, around 30-40lbs. There are many… many… many breeds which are larger, more powerful, and higher-drive than pit dogs, and which carry traits far more likely to translate to or result in human-targeted aggression with mishandling.