# I Need a Cite for a Mass Murder **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [June 16, 2025, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-need-a-cite-for-a-mass-murder/1019722 "2025-06-16T21:18:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-need-a-cite-for-a-mass-murder/1019722/1 "2025-06-16T21:18:15Z")
Years ago, I made an entry for this mass killing; 17 June 1963 Prospect PA, 7\* killed (shot) female killer, familicide As a cite, I used this; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_rampage\_killers\_(familicides\_in\_the\_United\_States)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(familicides_in_the_United_States)) But that Wikipedia list has gone away. I have looked at the back issues of the New York Times and some other newspapers. Nothing. (Lots of other news going on that week.) I seek to make my list more authoritative and useful to researchers. To do that I need good solid cites. Can anyone help me? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-need-a-cite-for-a-mass-murder/1019722/2 "2025-06-16T21:30:41Z")
> [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](#): > > 17 June 1963 Prospect PA, 7\* killed (shot) female killer, familicide > **[James John Gregor (1961-1963) - Find a Grave...](https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/102968779/james-john-gregor)** > > Cause of death was homicide by shotgun perpetrated by his mother Elizabeth Gregor. Includes some newspaper clippings that seem to match what you’re looking for. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-need-a-cite-for-a-mass-murder/1019722/3 "2025-06-16T21:33:10Z")
[https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vNsNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JmwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6433,2748693&dq=children+shot](https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=vNsNAAAAIBAJ&sjid=JmwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6433,2748693&dq=children+shot) [https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lNgLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=61YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7111,2331631&dq=prospect+gregor](https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=lNgLAAAAIBAJ&sjid=61YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7111,2331631&dq=prospect+gregor) From: [https://wikipedia.nucleos.com/viewer/wikipedia\_en\_all/A/List\_of\_rampage\_killers\_(familicides\_in\_the\_United\_States)](https://wikipedia.nucleos.com/viewer/wikipedia_en_all/A/List_of_rampage_killers_(familicides_in_the_United_States)) ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-need-a-cite-for-a-mass-murder/1019722/4 "2025-06-16T23:06:05Z")
Thank you both. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2025, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-need-a-cite-for-a-mass-murder/1019722/5 "2025-06-16T23:30:03Z")
Can the [Wayback Machine](https://web.archive.org/) help? It’s a website that archives other websites. If a webpage once existed there is a chance you can find it on Wayback Machine even if it is gone today. Dunno if it will work but worth a look I think. Here is the page you wanted in the OP from January, 2024: > **[List of rampage killers (familicides in the United States) - Wikipedia](https://web.archive.org/web/20240113013319/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers_(familicides_in_the_United_States))** ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b77776/32.png) [@Paul\_was\_in\_Saudi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_was_in_Saudi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2025, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-need-a-cite-for-a-mass-murder/1019722/6 "2025-06-18T20:06:31Z")
Thank you.