# I object and demand a retraction **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [June 11, 2012, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843 "2012-06-11T19:25:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![akennett](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee59a6/32.png) [@akennett](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/akennett)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/41 "2012-06-14T13:43:44Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Whether or not that would be a violation of the rules, or consistently enforced is therefore irrelevant. Then it was irrelevant to quote and reply to my post, as that post was made wholly and solely in reference to questions about how the wishing harm rule applied to various groups. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/42 "2012-06-14T13:47:14Z")
> [@akennett](#): > > … I did not state that I wished harm on anyone… Yes you did, under the stated rules of the forum. See post #15 ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/43 "2012-06-14T14:57:46Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Yes you did, under the stated rules of the forum. See post #15 You did read your own post, right? Wishing harm on others is not proscribed in the rules. And I did not wish harm on anyone. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/44 "2012-06-14T15:12:01Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > You did read your own post, right? Wishing harm on others is not proscribed in the rules. And I did not wish harm on anyone. The rules state exactly this: > [@](#): > > [Do not threaten harm or wish death on another poster > > Do not threaten another poster with physical harm, or wish for their demise. This includes hypothetical statements like “it would make me happy if someone ran you over” or “I hope you say that to [someone prone to stabbing people] and they stab you”.]([Revised Forum Rules for the BBQ Pit: read this before posting - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=507985)) You said: [QUOTE=TriPolar] The assholes (dopers) who knew about Quasi’s condition could have ignored him. Instead they goaded him. I hope I’m alive long enough to see them deteriorate so I can laugh at them (wishing death/physical harm). [/QUOTE] Red words mine. Now either you’re attempting to weasel lawyer your way out of a corner or you’re deliberately being stubbornly dense about the obvious. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/45 "2012-06-14T15:16:01Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > The rules state exactly this: > > You said: > > Red words mine. > > Now either you’re attempting to weasel lawyer your way out of a corner or you’re deliberately being stubbornly dense about the obvious. Yes laughing at someone is wishing harm on them. Why didn’t I realize that :rolleyes: And I resent that ‘lawyer’ crack. I demand a retraction. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/46 "2012-06-14T15:22:12Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > And I resent that ‘lawyer’ crack. I demand a retraction. [Here’s a retraction.](http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/01/4f198f57b9d39.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Cicero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cicero/32/3594_2.png) [@Cicero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cicero)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/47 "2012-06-14T15:57:55Z")
So, how’s your retraction demand working for you **Tripolar**? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/48 "2012-06-14T16:01:37Z")
> [@Cicero](#): > > So, how’s your retraction demand working for you **Tripolar**? Worked fine with **stpauler**. > [@stpauler](#): > > [Here’s a retraction.](http://static.happyplace.com/assets/images/2012/01/4f198f57b9d39.jpg) Hey **Miller**! See how easy that was? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/49 "2012-06-14T18:59:51Z")
The rule as stated is not “do not wish harm”. The rule, as stated, is “do not _threaten_ harm”. **TriPolar** did not make any threats, except the threat of laughing at someone. The other part of that rule is “do not wish _death_”. **TriPolar** did not wish death on anyone. I wouldn’t care at all, but **Miller** said “do not do this again”. So, if **TriPolar** were to post something similar again, he could be cited for not following moderator instructions, even though the original statement was not a rules violation. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/50 "2012-06-14T19:15:00Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > I wouldn’t care at all, but **Miller** said “do not do this again”. So, if **TriPolar** were to post something similar again, he could be cited for not following moderator instructions, even though the original statement was not a rules violation. See, that’s it. The do not do this again part. I didn’t violate a rule. I do realize the wishing harm part is arguable, but it’s not the rule. There’s an implication that I violated a rule mixed into the whole mess. And though I would like a retraction of the statement, my original demand was for _a_ retraction. That could have been accomplished as easily as\*\* stpauler \*\*did it. I didn’t even demand that **Miller** provide the retraction. And now in that thread, posters are gleefully harming another member, and rejoicing because that is not technically a violation of the rules. Sometimes I think it’s just not worth getting indignant over trivial matters any more. What has this world come to? ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/51 "2012-06-14T21:54:20Z")
If I were a mod I wouldn’t have issued a warning or a statement not to do it again. You just said you hope you could see people deteriorate (which we all do). That’s not wishing harm or death on someone. I agree 100% with TriPolar here. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/52 "2012-06-14T22:15:26Z")
“If it is God’s will that you die in a fire, I hope I am there to see it.” Over the line? ---
**Author:** ![Myrnalene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@Myrnalene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Myrnalene)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/53 "2012-06-14T22:23:10Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > You just said you hope you could see people deteriorate (which we all do). Dude. No, we don’t. I don’t like a lot of people. Some for saying shit that pissed me off on a message board, some for much better reasons. I’ve never thought, “god I can’t wait until they get some progressive degenerative condition so I enjoy their anguish.” I have a black heart and all but that is some fucked up shit. ETA: You know, what, you probably meant we all deteriorate, not we all wish to see others deteriorate. oops never mind! ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/54 "2012-06-14T22:32:45Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > And though I would like a retraction of the statement, my original demand was for _a_ retraction. That could have been accomplished as easily as\*\* stpauler \*\*did it. Dude, do you seriously claim that \*\*stpauler \*\*retracted? Did you even look at the link he provided? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/55 "2012-06-14T22:41:14Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Dude, do you seriously claim that \*\*stpauler \*\*retracted? > > Did you even look at the link he provided? He provided a retraction. I argued for strict construction in the interpretation of my post, so I’ll hold to that standard in my demand. Fair’s fair. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/56 "2012-06-14T22:51:35Z")
Did you look at the “retraction” he gave you? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/57 "2012-06-14T22:55:45Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Did you look at the “retraction” he gave you? Yes. It’s a retraction. A pretty good one too. I’m going to use that one myself some day. ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2012, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843/58 "2012-06-14T23:45:28Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > “If it is God’s will that you die in a fire, I hope I am there to see it.” > > Over the line? If you say Allah instead it can just slide in under the banner of cultural diversity and tolerance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-and-demand-a-retraction/624843.md?page=2)