# I object to JohnClay's very existence and everything he stands for **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965 "2014-07-24T19:57:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Caffeine.addict](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f475e1/32.png) [@Caffeine.addict](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Caffeine.addict)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/81 "2014-07-25T19:04:56Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > Except, where do you draw the line, between someone who has a genuine mental illness and someone who’s being a jerk? Most jerks can’t help but act like a jerk – they were born/raised that way. > > FWIW, the only thing I find really offensive about **JohnC’s** posts is the way he puts down his wife in public, and how he airs intimate details about their relationship that should remain private. That kind of thing’s utterly disrespectful. OTOH, it does appear that his wife’s just as crazy as he is, and doesn’t know better than to just put up with it. The two seem to be made for each other – like they each found someone really special. Which, of course, makes me jealous. :mad: Has he really violated her privacy though? He hasn’t posted pictures of her, we don’t know her name, or even have a good idea of what she looks like. We know that they have a pretty unhealthy relationship, and that they absolutely should not have children, but I couldn’t really identify her. As for him, we know he’s not American, and may be Australian, but that’s about it. I think that if we ban everyone who overshares, the number of new posts would be halved in MPSIMS, but I also loathe rules targeted at one individual. If you don’t care to read what he posts, don’t read it and don’t open his threads. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/82 "2014-07-25T22:21:14Z")
I hope he gets stuck in a hole full of a thousand clones of himself, because as annoying and pathetic as he is just think how bad a thousand of him would be. Also being in the hole would suck. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/83 "2014-07-25T22:36:53Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > I hope he gets stuck in a hole full of a thousand clones of himself, because as annoying and pathetic as he is just think how bad a thousand of him would be. This comment demonstrates a complete lack of self-awareness. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bozuit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/edb3f5/32.png) [@Bozuit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bozuit)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2014, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/84 "2014-07-25T22:45:38Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > No, my point was that it is a place where everyone chimes in with mundane observations / statements. **JohnClay** doesn’t participate in those, instead choosing to create a new thread for every statement / thought that crosses his mind. > > The weekly MMP threads are for everyone, where **JohnClay’s** threads serve to put the focus solely on him. > > I think the volume and content of his threads are what people find “note-worthy,” which is why I suggested he consolidate the numerous postings and make a thread along the lines of “ **JohnClay’s** Thoughts.” He could update it as he sees fit and it actually might provide some insight in tracking his story all in one thread, as opposed to having to search for all previous threads started by him and piecing it together that way. > > Of course, now that certain content is “off-limits,” this suggestion might not be applicable. Seems fair. I wonder if the mods would allow a thread like that. I suppose different people get irritated by different things. For me, it’s posts from the normalest of normal people, written in cutesy language about what their cat did, or what they’re having for dinner. But when they irritate me, I realize that’s an entirely unreasonable reaction, so I should probably keep my mouth shut instead of going into their threads purely to annoy myself and post disparaging threadshits. ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/85 "2014-07-26T00:24:00Z")
> [@Ambivalid](#): > > This comment demonstrates a complete lack of self-awareness. 🙂 Ahahahahaha ha. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/86 "2014-07-26T01:09:46Z")
> [@sandra\_nz](#): > > …However it appears that most of the time, you do not understand many of the unwritten rules of societal behavior. Or perhaps you do understand them, but don’t understand the value of following them so you deliberately ignore them. Yeah that’s true about unwritten rules. I only learnt in the year 2000 that sometimes people tell you to do incredibly stupid things for a laugh and you shouldn’t always obey them. It was after that that I learnt that if someone offers an excuse for not meeting up and doesn’t offer an alternative then they probably don’t want to meet. I just believed their excuse. I actually learnt that by reading a book. I have books to thank for learning a lot of things. e.g. the importance of eye contact. Like my earlier thread said, apparently good decisions come from experience and experience comes from bad decisions. It could also come from reading self-help books. Since my first introspective thread was met with a lot of supportive replies I became encouraged. It seems the unwritten rule is that my threads are ok initially but not if I keep on starting them. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/87 "2014-07-26T01:12:05Z")
> [@Caffeine.addict](#): > > Has he really violated her privacy though? He hasn’t posted pictures of her, we don’t know her name, or even have a good idea of what she looks like… Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/88 "2014-07-26T01:20:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > > [@Bozuit](#): > > > > If he has to air some of that stuff (and it really can help) it’s probably better that he does it with strangers than mutual friends. > > The only good place to do it would be _a therapist’s office_ because that’s the only place where anything that might lead to any kind of improvement would happen. I’ve found self-help books have helped depression/being suicidal… perhaps by improvement you mean being less annoying but I’m talking about being more content. > [@](#): > > The problem with doing it on this board is that he gets attention for doing crappy things and then seems to feel he gets absolved by admitting them, so then he goes out and does them some more and then comes back to post about them for more attention. I think the crappy things I’ve done have decreased… though I think I think the negative responses has increased because people keep on bringing up all the crappy things I’d done in the past. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/89 "2014-07-26T01:23:33Z")
> [@Morbo](#): > > …Troll or not, the desperate efforts at validation irritate the shit out of me. “Here are the threads I’ve started in the last…” Are you fucking kidding me? Nobody fucking cares dude. How about you just contribute and not draw attention to yourself? People made inaccurate statements about me (e.g. you never post threads that aren’t about X) and I’m defending myself. What’s wrong with defending myself? (I’m doing it again right now…) ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/90 "2014-07-26T01:34:35Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > {_snip_} good decisions come from experience and experience comes from bad decisions. It could also come from reading self-help books. Awesome. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/91 "2014-07-26T01:38:13Z")
> [@Calatin](#): > > No, my point was that it is a place where everyone chimes in with mundane observations / statements. **JohnClay** doesn’t participate in those, Is that against the rules? > [@](#): > > instead choosing to create a new thread for every statement / thought that crosses his mind. It happens when those new thoughts are off topic for the original thread and it seems that people often just read the OP and not all of the later posts I’ve written. > [@](#): > > The weekly MMP threads are for everyone, where **JohnClay’s** threads serve to put the focus solely on him. See: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17572597&postcount=6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17572597&postcount=6) > [@](#): > > I think the volume and content of his threads are what people find “note-worthy,” which is why I suggested he consolidate the numerous postings and make a thread along the lines of “ **JohnClay’s** Thoughts.” He could update it as he sees fit and it actually might provide some insight in tracking his story all in one thread, as opposed to having to search for all previous threads started by him and piecing it together that way. The thing is that if each topic I’m talking about has a thread, the thread title can summarize the content. But if there was a single thread which had my topics all over the place and filled with replies by other people it would be hard to know what all of the my thoughts are about since you’d have to read it all rather than just look at some thread titles. > [@](#): > > Of course, now that certain content is “off-limits,” this suggestion might not be applicable. Yeah… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/92 "2014-07-26T02:29:27Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Exactly. Well, I think what matters is, does your wife have a problem with you posting this stuff online? If so, then yeah, you are violating her privacy, whether it’s anonymous or not. ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/93 "2014-07-26T02:31:59Z")
Why would you consider your wife a 5? That’s so mean spirited. I consider my wife an 11 in comparison, and that’s not just blowing smoke. Everyone in my family and circle of friends has also commented how beautiful she is. This is because she puts effort in her appearance, which also translates into her efforts in her education and unbridled ambition in her career. Had she had been a 5, my family wouldn’t have gone out of there way to compliment on her appearance, since it would come off as very patronizing. So by calling your wife a 5 and talking about her gunt, you make it sound like you have low standards. Other posts like whether you might be gay bring all this ambiguity into your relationship. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/94 "2014-07-26T03:00:36Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > …So by calling your wife a 5 and talking about her gunt, you make it sound like you have low standards… What’s so bad about low standards? I think it is better than being alone. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5652857&postcount=6](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5652857&postcount=6) Here’s a post by you from the original 2004 thread: > [@](#): > > …I don’t know exactly what you consider ‘fat’, but if I were you, I would re-evaluate your criteria. I say this because if you are so put off by that one quality, you are really missing out on meeting a potentially genuine person… [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5659871&postcount=14](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5659871&postcount=14) > [@](#): > > …5) GO OUT WITH GIRLS WHO LIKE YOU - I can’t stress this enough. **When you are a super stud, then you can cherry pick.** If you are a 26 year old virgin and the quirky girl in the coffee shop gives you her number, CALL HER… [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5657985&postcount=9](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5657985&postcount=9) > [@](#): > > …Personally, I would recommend asking out a few girls that seem nice but that you do not find particularly attractive just to get a chance to practice your dating skills. If you’re not all that interested to begin with, the rejection isn’t quite so difficult to take. And, who knows, you might find that your feelings for them would deepen as you got to know them better… Previously physical appearance was the main thing. I remember telling a mental health worker that one of my goals was the love of a beautiful woman - and I mean an objectively hot woman e.g. from the Dr Hook song “When You’re In Love With A Beautiful Woman” ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/95 "2014-07-26T03:06:45Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Well, I think what matters is, does your wife have a problem with you posting this stuff online? If so, then yeah, you are violating her privacy, whether it’s anonymous or not. What if someone had a cheating partner and they talked about it online when the partner would have had a problem with the posts? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/96 "2014-07-26T04:02:32Z")
But you don’t have a cheating partner, you have a wife you love very much. So you should respect her wishes, whatever they are. ---
**Author:** ![Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/848f3c/32.png) [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fuzzy_Dunlop)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/97 "2014-07-26T04:19:46Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > [Lucent Technologies - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucent) Bell Labs is based in Murray Hill New Jersey, not midtown Manhattan. > [@JohnClay](#): > > Maybe there is a little connection to the devil (“Lucifer”) there…? The entire product was named based on hellish references. It’s one of the things that made it so stupid. But it was a fully explicit and intentional naming scheme. You didn’t crack some code. It would be like if I started a thread where I announced that I caught Apple naming the various version of OS X after cats. Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion. HMMMM You think maybe Apple was trying to subliminally make us think about cats? Too bad for them I was too smart and noticed the pattern. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/98 "2014-07-26T04:43:00Z")
> [@Fuzzy\_Dunlop](#): > > Bell Labs is based in Murray Hill New Jersey, not midtown Manhattan. > > The entire product was named based on hellish references. It’s one of the things that made it so stupid. But it was a fully explicit and intentional naming scheme. You didn’t crack some code. > > It would be like if I started a thread where I announced that I caught Apple naming the various version of OS X after cats. Cheetah, Puma, Jaguar, Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion, Mountain Lion. HMMMM You think maybe Apple was trying to subliminally make us think about cats? Too bad for them I was too smart and noticed the pattern. Looks like we got another JohnClay Critic. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![StrangeBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e480ec/32.png) [@StrangeBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StrangeBird)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/99 "2014-07-26T06:14:03Z")
> [@Incubus](#): > > Why would you consider your wife a 5? That’s so mean spirited. I consider my wife an 11 in comparison… Oh god. A thread in which **Incubus** and **JohnClay** talk about their comparative opinions of their wives. Two completely different opinions, both tiresome as hell. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2014, 6:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/100 "2014-07-26T06:21:57Z")
> [@StrangeBird](#): > > Oh god. A thread in which **Incubus** and **JohnClay** talk about their comparative opinions of their wives. 😃 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965.md?page=6)