# I object to JohnClay's very existence and everything he stands for **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 24, 2014, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965 "2014-07-24T19:57:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Ranger\_Jeff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranger_jeff/32/2065_2.png) [@Ranger\_Jeff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranger_Jeff)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/141 "2014-07-27T01:22:43Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > I know, right. It’s why I sometimes go to Wal-Mart. > > I look at JohnClay in the same way that I look at the random creep who tries to strike up a conversation with me in public. By the time the conversation is over, I know the creep’s underwear size, length of his penis, and the approximate weight of the turd he laid that morning. The creep is generally harmless, just irritating and a little, well, creepy. Hey! All I said was that my hat made me look like a dork. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/142 "2014-07-27T02:40:06Z")
I got a crazy idea: how about we don’t do anything and just continue to either enjoy or avoid Mr. **JohnClay** ’s threads? Why create any special rules for him? He’s fucking harmless and generally amusing. If he breaks any rules, treat him just as any other poster. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/143 "2014-07-27T03:18:36Z")
> [@faithfool](#): > > …Good luck on your next board dupe, you crazy ass motherfucker. > **[Restricted language in the Pit](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858)** > > The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. cunt and variants, e.g., cuntlapper motherfucker cocksucker fuck you and variants, e.g., go fuck yourself, fuck off and die suck/lick my dick/cock and variants Expressions not... > [@](#): > > The following expressions should not be directed at other posters. > > …motherfucker… ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/144 "2014-07-27T03:39:31Z")
Rather than a **JohnClay** thread, why not a **JohnClay** forum? Kinda like the barnhouse, but interesting and well read. Worth it just for the newbies’ 😕 ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/145 "2014-07-27T04:29:22Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > [Restricted language in the Pit - The BBQ Pit - Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=508858) If you have a problem with the way people are posting towards you, you’d be better off clicking the “report” button and letting a mod take care of it. Otherwise you can add Jr Modding to your list of offenses here. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/146 "2014-07-27T05:28:23Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > If you have a problem with the way people are posting towards you, you’d be better off clicking the “report” button and letting a mod take care of it. Otherwise you can add Jr Modding to your list of offenses here. He knows he’s junior modding. But he wouldn’t give a shit if he stuck his finger up his ass. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/147 "2014-07-27T07:36:44Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > He knows he’s junior modding… I’d never heard of the term or concept of “junior modding” ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/148 "2014-07-27T08:01:57Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I propose that he’s mentally ill AND a troll. I don’t see how the two are mutually exclusive. I agree that is a possibility, but I don’t see the supposed evidence in this thread. He honestly seems to me to be trying to get people to like him by defending himself. I think most people on this board have a very loose definition of what a troll is. While you can be sincere and still be a troll, I think a troll has to actively enjoy pissing people off. I wouldn’t call **Dio** a troll, either. Well, at least, he didn’t troll here. BTW, I do think it funny he’s being treated better here in the Pit than he was in some of those other threads. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/149 "2014-07-27T08:11:20Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I’d never heard of the term or concept of “junior modding” You’ve been here for 13 years and you don’t know what “junior modding” is? :dubious: Please allow me to explain it to you. [Beginner’s Guide to Glossary of Terms on the Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=320298) > [@](#): > > **Junior Modding** – When someone who is not a moderator tries to dictate how another poster should act. Thus, usurping the role of moderator when not entitled to do so. (At one end of the practice, this is just seen as annoying and arrogant on the part of person playing “junior mod”; at the other end of the practice, this is a rules violation and warnable offense.) In the interest of fighting ignorance of course. In no way am I attempting to be a junior mod myself. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/150 "2014-07-27T08:21:51Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > You’ve been here for 13 years and you don’t know what “junior modding” is? :dubious: Yes. But I hadn’t really looked in threads that needed moderation - except for my own - and I hadn’t been guilty of that offence before. > [@](#): > > Please allow me to explain it to you. > > [Beginner’s Guide to Glossary of Terms on the Straight Dope Message Board](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=320298) Since I already knew what AFAIK, etc, meant I didn’t read that thread… > [@](#): > > In the interest of fighting ignorance of course. In no way am I attempting to be a junior mod myself. Just as well… ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/151 "2014-07-27T08:35:35Z")
Right. :rolleyes: Yet people who have been here less than 13 years do know. Troll. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/152 "2014-07-27T09:37:06Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > I’d never heard of the term or concept of “junior modding” I’ve been on the fence about JC’s motives for a while. I really did want to believe him. But after all of the mod intervention there has been, the “poo” thread made me start conceding he might be a troll. The above post convinced me. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/153 "2014-07-27T10:54:38Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Right. :rolleyes: Yet people who have been here less than 13 years do know. > > Troll. Just about the only way I could have known is if I had previously read a thread that mentioned the term “junior moderator” or if I had read that thread “Beginner’s Guide to Glossary of Terms on Straight Dope Message Boards”. That thread is in “About This Message Board”. I think about the first time I looked at ATMB I start this thread: “Long head hair” thread in General Questions > **["Long head hair" thread in General Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=725782)** > > Hi the General Questions thread about possible explanations for the evolution of long head hair has disappeared. The latest post on it was maybe 2 days ago but when I search for it I can’t find anything. “Beginner’s Guide to Glossary of Terms on Straight Dope Message Boards” is in ATMB and was posted in 2005 and its last post was in 2009. It currently isn’t stickied so how can you expect me to have read it? I usually only read my own threads or ones that don’t involve any “junior moderation”. Just because many people have heard of it it doesn’t prove that I have. Perhaps you think I’m lying about it and am just doing that in order to get a reaction from people. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/154 "2014-07-27T12:52:52Z")
I am either nonplussed (American definition) or disgusted by most of what JohnClay posts under his own OP’s. But as far as I can tell, he’s never said an unkind word about anyone here. He’s certainly never been mean spirited towards anybody. So for that reason I’m not sure there’s any reason to wake the villagers and drive him out of town with pitchforks and torches. Having said that, whatever pathology drives him to post what he posts - and I’m not entirely convinced it’s limited to his self admited polar disorder - is quite likely driven in large part by a cry for attention. Which is certainly frowned upon by some. But let’s be fair, the most inflamatory posters, the one’s whose candle burns twice as bright and burns half as long, are typically the most interesting ones. Like JohnClay, they are from the extreme ends of the ‘normal’ bell curve and they bring to front some of our most intelligent and erudite members who put forward arguments from which we all can learn something. Also, from what I’ve noticed, nothing unites and glavanizes the board as much as these extreme views. If they were completely eliminated, this place would be far more monotone and we’d be left to choose between the same old tired arguments of left vs. right politics and why X is the one special snowflake who can’t lose weight through diet and exercise. So if JohnClay is purely a troll, as some clearly believe, he’s the least harmful troll we’ve seen around here. Leave the guy be. He’ll either wear himself out or fall in his own excrement and drown. Until then he’ll continue to nonplus and disgust us, and folks – [That’s entertainment](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubxYYzYNP84). ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/155 "2014-07-27T12:57:55Z")
[Moderating] Remember, calling other posters “fucker” or “motherfucker” is a violation of the Pits language rules. Please avoid using language like this against other posters. And **JohnClay** , if you see a post that violates the rules, please report it, then otherwise ignore it. Don’t to around quoting board rules at other posters. Thats junior modding, and also against the rules. No warnings issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/156 "2014-07-27T14:09:16Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > BTW recently my doctor said something about watching out for trolls on the messageboards. I lamented that lots of people think I’m a troll… Good joke. Everybody laughs. Roll on snare drum. Curtains. > [@JohnClay](#): > > On the other hand I guess this thread is meant for JohnClay’s critics so carry on… You’ve been here 13 years and just now figured out that Pit Threads are not celebrity roasts? Also, how does your doctor feel about **JohnClay** referring to himrself in the third person? > [@cochrane](#): > > I’m not interested in reading books about poo, either. > [@JohnClay](#): > > Party pooper. Now, _that_ was awesome. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/157 "2014-07-27T14:25:13Z")
> [@White SIFL](#): > > I’ve been on the fence about JC’s motives for a while. I really did want to believe him. But after all of the mod intervention there has been, the “poo” thread made me start conceding he might be a troll. > > The above post convinced me. yes ---
**Author:** ![joyfool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/df788c/32.png) [@joyfool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joyfool)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/158 "2014-07-27T14:40:16Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Moderating] > Remember, calling other posters “fucker” or “motherfucker” is a violation of the Pits language rules. Please avoid using language like this against other posters. > > And **JohnClay** , if you see a post that violates the rules, please report it, then otherwise ignore it. Don’t to around quoting board rules at other posters. Thats junior modding, and also against the rules. > > No warnings issued. > [/Moderating] Eh, sorry. I knew you couldn’t say “fuck you” or “fuck off,” but I somehow was clueless on “motherfucker.” Which in this case, I meant as a term of endearment. 😛 Anyhow, duly noted. I want do it again. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/159 "2014-07-27T15:21:31Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Good joke. Everybody laughs. Roll on snare drum. Curtains. Ouch! And also, Ha! . ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965/160 "2014-07-27T16:22:16Z")
> [@JohnClay](#): > > Just about the only way I could have known is if I had previously read a thread that mentioned the term “junior moderator” or if I had read that thread “Beginner’s Guide to Glossary of Terms on Straight Dope Message Boards”. That thread is in “About This Message Board”. And yet, I’ve only been here since 2006 and I have. > [@](#): > > “Beginner’s Guide to Glossary of Terms on Straight Dope Message Boards” is in ATMB and was posted in 2005 and its last post was in 2009. It currently isn’t stickied so how can you expect me to have read it? > > I usually only read my own threads or ones that don’t involve any “junior moderation”. > > Just because many people have heard of it it doesn’t prove that I have. Then you need to read other threads besides your own. > [@](#): > > Perhaps you think I’m lying about it and am just doing that in order to get a reaction from people. No “perhaps” about it. > [@](#): > > 1. The Never-Give-Up, Never-Surrender Troll > > This troll is ALWAYS right and will battle to the death to prove it. There’s no point in trying to fight her. If she can’t back something up with reality, she’ll make something up, just to show you how wrong you are. Sound familiar? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-object-to-johnclays-very-existence-and-everything-he-stands-for/693965.md?page=9)