# I oppose a policy of automatically banning the White Nationalists **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 16, 2002, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509 "2002-10-16T14:05:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/61 "2002-10-17T11:51:34Z")
Sorry about that _phral_\*, I was using the term my Cherokee wife prefers. Regarding ‘Gypsy’, it’s quite telling that after nearly 1,000 years in Europe people still can’t be bothered to use our real name. Instead we’re stuck being ‘Egyptians’. At least you spelled it with a capital G. Remind me sometime to have a pit rant about spelling it in lowercase.\*\* Kal \*Romani word meaning ‘Brother’: Now part of the English language as ‘Pal’. \*\*Check the dictionary, ‘Gypsy’ and ‘gypsy’ have two different meanings. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/62 "2002-10-17T12:36:49Z")
No problem, my friend. Ask your wife to read Amerigo Vespucci’s [own account](http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1497vespucci-america.html) of his first voyage, and see whether she still prefers the term that is named after him. ---
**Author:** ![IzzyR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/2acd7d/32.png) [@IzzyR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IzzyR)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/63 "2002-10-17T13:38:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > Actually, you probably could. Since the Opening Post and follow-ups have now moved back a page, I’ll just assume you missed them. Not sure what you mean with this. But to clarify my words, I meant that I couldn’t disagree with you more about your assumption that they were primarily of the voluntary segregation sort. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RexDart \* > In one thread, the moderator threatened one “jude” [sic] with banishment for talking “jewspeak”, which he apparently describes as some form of sarcasm. When another Jew responded to this post, he was in fact banned. You have it a bit wrong here. The guy who was banned was the same guy who was originally threatened with banning. That being me, in my alternative identity of “IchLochZichOse”. Too much “jewspeak sarcasm” from the jude, evidently. But I was losing interest by that point anyway. > [@](#): > > It’s funny how several of the white supremacists’ posts in a row can sound rational and nonoffensive, even if wrongheaded, but then suddenly you see something like that reminding you “Oh, right, this is a racist message board, duh!” Actually, I think there is a surprisingly broad range of people there. Some of the guys - e.g. our friend kokulkan or whatever - seem more interested in immigration reform than anything else. In general, the whole idea of White Nationalism appears to mean different things to different people, and these guys do not appear to be focused on specifics of what to do about the issue. They are united mainly in sharing a sense that the “White People” with their (supposedly) shared culture and heritage are under attack from hordes of lesser species of humans, all of which is being manipulated in some way by the Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/64 "2002-10-17T18:19:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by RexDart \* > \*\*Over on their board, I saw that KKK is now referring to the SDMB as “Fighting Free Speach [sic] since 1973.” The guy can’t even frickin’ spell speech. If there’s one thing a trip to that board did for me was to make me ever so frickin’ thankful that people on this board can spell. \*\* Hey, cut him some slack, he had to write that himself, no cutting and pasting! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/65 "2002-10-17T19:22:12Z")
Um, my cat is named Gypsy. After a character on MST3K. Is that all right? ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/66 "2002-10-17T19:27:47Z")
they’re scum. pure scum. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/67 "2002-10-17T19:45:16Z")
Lib squeaks: "Involuntary taxation, as far as I’m concerned, is tantamount to slavery. " Thanks for reminding me, Lib, why I generally ignore your posts. I think the reason you have so much sympathy for the white supremecists and have such difficulty understanding why reasonable people object to their philosophy is that your worldview is nearly as narrow and blindered as theirs is, though you’re fixated on a different unreality. ---
**Author:** ![gobear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8dc957/32.png) [@gobear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gobear)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/68 "2002-10-17T20:20:32Z")
> [@](#): > > I think the reason you have so much sympathy for the white supremecists and have such difficulty understanding why reasonable people object to their philosophy is that your worldview is nearly as narrow and blindered as theirs is, though you’re fixated on a different unreality. Fuck off, **Lissener**. **Libertarian** does NOT have "so much sympathy for the white supremacists "; he detests them, too. What he is saying is that, as long as they obey the board rules, they should not be banned just for holding detestable views. What with your immature temper tantrum over your GQ thread closure and this unwarranted attack on **Lib** , you are setting a personal best at Obnoxious Whinery. Grow the fuck up, you nit! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/69 "2002-10-17T21:56:31Z")
Once again, Gobear, you place upon my shoulders a burden that is light and easy to bear. You’re right. As I said before, if they stand for supremacy, then I oppose their views but not their banning. In fact, I am eager to debate them. Great Debates has become Rehashville ad Nauseum. It’s God this and Bush that and Iraq the other thing. Over and over and over and over. Debates on some of the hitherto (at least seemingly) forbidden topics would be a welcome refreshment. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/70 "2002-10-17T23:22:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Libertarian \* > \*\*I am a Cherokee. \*\* Tsalagis hiwonihi? ---
**Author:** ![Weirddave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/919ad9/32.png) [@Weirddave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weirddave)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/71 "2002-10-17T23:42:47Z")
I started a thread on racism in GD. It hasn’t gotten much attention. Some, but not a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/72 "2002-10-18T04:11:40Z")
We do not ban all white nationalists simply because they are white nationalists. Klanman stuck around for quite some time, and had a GD thread about those lazy blacks on welfare (paraphrased). We have not had very good experiences with them, though; generally they are semi-literate trolls and Klanman himself snuck back in after his banning in violation of our rules. Kulkulkon’s thread went to over a hundred posts, and it was a mess of ignored arguments on his part and “cites” that were only broken links. Not exactly a shining star of a Great Debate, but he wasn’t banned until we realized the SF connection. When we had a sudden influx of racist posts and found the storm front thread, we did not particuarly react with unmitigated delight to the prospect of a mass spamming of our board by racist posts. Somehow I doubt No. 1965 really intended to seriously debate the seven threads of regurgitated articles he posted within one hour. Or that AllJewsToTheGasChamber’s lovely post about "frag"ging us and our “kosher brethren” and promise to come back after banning and spam us more was just an innocent newbie’s faltering missteps. We’ve seen pretty consistent bad behavior and rule breaking from the SF crowd, and we’re not inclined to let them all pour into our boards and piss all over our forums while we patiently try to separate the wheat (assuming there is any) from the chaff. I say, ban 'em all and let Cecil sort them out. 🙂 We have had racist posters before, I’m sure we do now, we will again. They will get banned if they are too much of a jerk, and yes, calling people “kikes”, “mud people” and “faggots” counts as jerky in my book. I sure as hell don’t want it in _my_ forum. Being a racist is not an automatic ban, but being a stupid jerk is, and if there are a bunch of literate, courteous, intelligent racists out there, they sure haven’t been very evident. We don’t allow links to racist sites like we don’t allow links to porno sites. Perhaps a person really thinks they need to link to a mpeg of Debbie Does Dallas, or to a site that urges killing all Jews/faggots/wetbacks, in order to make their debate point. Tough. Find the info you are citing in a more acceptable format. And frankly we don’t have the time to exhaustively analyze every racist site linked to determine the exact degree of hatred/violence shown, so we’re going to err on the side of caution. If y’all want to debate racists, I am sure you know how to fnd the urls for a whole nest of 'em. If racists _happen_ to wander in here, they can stay as long as they are non-jerkish and not overly offensive and stupid. However, since right now we do not want a mass invasion (as the SFs have implied they have done to other sites), or people who have already shown they disrespect our rules, or post just to stir things up, or a bunch of spam-posts with no intention of debate, and our experience with SF posters has not been all that pleasant so far, we’re opting to lock down all blatant SF posters immediately. Hope that helps clear things up. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/73 "2002-10-18T04:19:17Z")
_claps_ **Gaudere** , that was excellent. Really, if the people at Stormfront are an example of the “Master Race”, I’d really hate to see what the inferior races are like! ---
**Author:** ![Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/angel_of_the_lord/32/2949_2.png) [@Angel\_of\_the\_Lord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angel_of_the_Lord)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/74 "2002-10-18T04:59:15Z")
_snickers at **Guin** ’s comment_ Actually…if they hadn’t been indulging in flagrant violation of the rules, I wouldn’t have minded them being around for longer. Not cause I would’ve agreed with them, mind you, and not 'cause they would’ve particularly liked my French-Canadian/Greek/Cree/Spanish/Hungarian/Romani ass (ain’t tracing your roots fun?). It just would’ve been nice to have proved them wrong. I’ve been reading their threads about the SDMB, and I’ve realized something–like it or not, we tend to not completely debate with those people who go against our own (admittedly correct 😉 ) viewpoints. While there are a few posters–who need not be named, as they know who they are–that go about engaging in serious debate, a good portion of the people here are content to simply call the blighter a moron or an asshole and call it a night. While that may be our gut feeling, there is more good to be had in attempting to use logic and rationality. Who knows; we might be able to somewhat enlighten some of those few racists who do come in here if we keep our cool and cite our facts and try to separate the personal insults from the argument. Granted, however, the the civility needs to be mutual–if the poster resorts to personal insults in the middle of GD, then, yes, he should be banned. Fair warning in the rules, after all… ---
**Author:** ![RexDart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b77776/32.png) [@RexDart](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RexDart)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/75 "2002-10-18T07:07:06Z")
Um, wow…me and **gobear** share the same opinion of a poster: **lissener**. Just goes to show, you can call somebody out one week, be right along side them the next as if nothing happened. What a place! Excellent response, **gobear**. But just when I think there’s still an ethnic group out there it’s ok to make occasional fun of, **Kal** comes along being “Romani.” Now, since you would argue that is NOT synonomous with “gypsy”, does that mean I can still poke a little fun at the tinkers once and awhile? My ethnic worldview is already messed up enough from those Robert Jordan novels, how am I to cope? Course, it could be cool to have a person on here ethnically linked to the Balkans, finally a chance to get some views from interested persons on the illegitimate state of Yugoslavia and how it should be broken up 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/76 "2002-10-18T10:15:27Z")
Bdgr asked: > [@](#): > > Tsalagis hiwonihi? Usti goliga Tsalagi. * * * Gaudere said: > [@](#): > > Hope that helps clear things up. It clears up some things. Thanks for responding, Gaudere. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/77 "2002-10-18T12:29:46Z")
**Lib** : I had a chat with my wife about which term she prefers and it seems that she’s started to use NA more since she came to live here in England. The main reason seems to be that, over here, if you say that you’re Indian the first thing people think of is the country of India. So they look puzzled for a moment, register her accent, then a fair number ask: “Oh, do you mean Red Indian?” (That term is still occationally used over here, primarily because we don’t have a large Indian population to be offended by it). NA is what she settles for, because it stops her being deported for stabbing people in the face. Oh, my wife asks if you would be so kind as to email one of us links to the Cherokee message boards you mentioned earlier. **RexDart** : Leave the tinkers alone, poke fun at ‘New Age Travellers’ instead. On the subject of the Balkans, yep I’m an interested party but mainly about the treatment that the Roma and Sinti are getting. BTW: There is a thread about Yugoslavia at the moment. [Link](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139850) ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/78 "2002-10-18T13:51:55Z")
Sweet Lord have mercy, that is some message board. I have never been so ashamed of being a member of the Master Race before. I considered registering just so I could get banned, so I could say that they don’t want me. Fortunately, it occured to me that I am a race traitor, contributing to the mongrelization of my superior culture anyway, so as soon as the ZOG falls, I will be lined up against the wall and shot. Which made me feel better. Because when they **do** shoot me, I will go to my grave with a sarcastic sneer on my face, yelling “Cite!” Because we are right, and they are wrong. And there ain’t a darn thing they can do about it. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/79 "2002-10-18T16:50:46Z")
Kal One [Cherokee Message Board](http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.states.oklahoma.prestatehood.indianterr1900.cherokeenation) is mainly for ancestry research. [Another](http://members.hostedscripts.com/board.cgi?user=SDictionaryS) is handy for language study. Whitehorse and Skye are particularly helpful. But the most fun (and active) site is [Indianz.Com](http://indianz.com/default.asp). There are many Cherokee registered there, and Cherokee topics are hot. Enjoy! ---
**Author:** ![Infectious\_Lass](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e56c9b/32.png) [@Infectious\_Lass](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infectious_Lass)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509/80 "2002-10-18T18:01:28Z")
Weeel, I have been perusing the Stormfront SD threads, (isn’t the search function grand?) and some of the posters almost seem reasonable, almost…!(so wierd to read something from someone who sounds pretty reasonable and has a sparkly fairy avatar and then is rabbiting on about aryan superiority :eek .) I read the thread that Izzy R started under a different name and like a real Doper, he was winning the argument and making the racists look like the addled morons they are and then that rather scary Maud’dib guy banned him for talking ‘jewspeak’ whatever the hell that is…and I was like oboy Izzy was winning the argument and the nazi can’t stand that! And he rather charmingly referred to Izzy as ‘it’. Yep, that’s it Maudie, dehumanize your oppononent! The moment you have to acknowledge him as a human being is the moment you realise that people are indeviduals not stereotypes and you’re wrong! Moron. Oh and in one of the threads that John Joy Tree guy (who is almost liberal by Stormfront standards) introduced this bizzare aside about…_snork_ white virgins _smirk_ going from one end of the earth to the other _snuurrk_ \*playing with a golden ball! \* BWAH HA HA HA HA!!! Erm…apparantly the blacks and the jews are stopping them from doing this…errrrm right :rolleyes: Like why would anyone want to go from one end of the earth to the other playing with a golden ball? And why are the blacks and jews stopping them? Can anyone tell me? hmmmmm. Er will a ball of any other colour do? Can I play with the ball? Even though someone has deflowered me??? Pretty please?? Hm. Racism. It’s all a load of golden balls!! oh yeah and someone should tell them that ‘securing a Bright White future for our children’ sounds like a freaking washing powder commercial! jeez. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-oppose-a-policy-of-automatically-banning-the-white-nationalists/132509.md?page=5)