# I pit all conservatives who have bought into the Halbig/King ACA trutherism nonsense **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 19, 2014, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625 "2014-12-19T00:04:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/221 "2015-01-09T17:51:52Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > And this is what continues to frustrate me. **GIGObuster** ’s almost total lack of ability to offer coherent argument is one thing – but no other liberal comes along even to say, “Hey, G, I agree with your conclusions completely, and I even agree it’s inhumane not to provide health care, but your argument is flawed – ‘inhumane’ is a matter of opinion, not objective fact.” > > I don’t agree that “inhumane,” has a objective definition that can be uncontroversially applied to the question of governments providing free health care to their citizenry. When did I say it was objective? I thought context showed that (and history was also referred to) there has been progress and it is a human one, but really I do not think I was referring to objective things when it is a human idea that we decided that slavery was wrong. Same for denying health care to the poor, and this is according to better people that you and me and most of the civilized world. What is a fact is that MLK declared said that, what it is a fact is that Amnesty internation said so, what it is a fact is that most of the world decided so, with a mix of economical and moral reasons. Both reasons BTW are against **Bricker** and other conservatives here. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/222 "2015-01-09T18:12:29Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > When did I say it was objective? When you wrote post #182: > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Well, it\*\* is\*\*. So far what I see is that you are attempting to define it in a very ignorant way, so there is still a lot that you need to learn. > [@](#): > > Same for denying health care to the poor, and this is according to better people that you and me and most of the civilized world. > > What is a fact is that MLK declared said that, what it is a fact is that Amnesty internation said so, what it is a fact is that most of the world decided so, with a mix of economical and moral reasons. And Mother Teresa declared abortion inhumane. Is it? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/223 "2015-01-09T18:17:43Z")
And **Bone** is actually seeking refuge on my reading comperhension when I was actually talking about what MLK and Amnesty International said so. What I understood was that Bone was telling me that what MLK said never took place or the time was never clear. Well the speech that quote originated took place and the timeline was there, we needed to find it. But it happened, that was a fact regardless of our ignorance. Saying things like “MLKs statement had no time box as quoted. That means he wasn’t referencing a specific time.” Is a really dumb thing to say after a timeline was offered. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/224 "2015-01-09T18:21:02Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > When you wrote post #182: > > And Mother Teresa declared abortion inhumane. Is it? That is indeed seeking to define a very human position. And I already mentioned that the health care issue is not depending on human ideals alone. In fact a lot of the humanistic ideas do not depend on religion or being religious ones. BTW all that Susanita talk was a methafore for what it is indeed a very human endeavor. As the Medical group I cited said, this is not an objective issue, but it is clear that a lot of conservatives want to obfuscate even the meaning that many human rights groups use. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/225 "2015-01-09T19:48:42Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > And **Bone** is actually seeking refuge on my reading comperhension when I was actually talking about what MLK and Amnesty International said so. What I understood was that Bone was telling me that what MLK said never took place or the time was never clear. > > Well the speech that quote originated took place and the timeline was there, we needed to find it. But it happened, that was a fact regardless of our ignorance. > > Saying things like “MLKs statement had no time box as quoted. That means he wasn’t referencing a specific time.” Is a really dumb thing to say after a timeline was offered. I did not and do not dispute that MLK made the statement, or something similar. I do not dispute the time that the statement was made, or purported to be made. The statement you quoted from MLK however, did not refer to any specific time. You say it did, assume it did, etc. That’s why my first statement about it was that context was missing. John is inferring that the statement is referring only to the US, and only to institutional injustice. That may be the case, but it’s an assumption. You are assuming that MLK was referring to things as they existed at the time he made his statement. Read on it’s face, there is no such time limitation in the statement as quoted - and that’s why I mentioned context. Even if it was as you are assuming, slavery was in existence at the time MLK made his statement, and it is in existence today. Unless you think MLK believes ‘injustice in health’ is more inhumane or inhuman than slavery, the quote is in apropos. So yeah, something is dumb to say sure. It’s coming from you. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/226 "2015-01-09T21:14:27Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > I did not and do not dispute that MLK made the statement, or something similar. I do not dispute the time that the statement was made, or purported to be made. > > The statement you quoted from MLK however, did not refer to any specific time. You say it did, assume it did, etc. That’s why my first statement about it was that context was missing. Indeed, but the point I made right away is that an specific time was found, I take it then that the point I made stands. > [@Bone](#): > > John is inferring that the statement is referring only to the US, and only to institutional injustice. That may be the case, but it’s an assumption. You are assuming that MLK was referring to things as they existed at the time he made his statement. Read on it’s face, there is no such time limitation in the statement as quoted - and that’s why I mentioned context. Even if it was as you are assuming, slavery was in existence at the time MLK made his statement, and it is in existence today. Unless you think MLK believes ‘injustice in health’ is more inhumane or inhuman than slavery, the quote is in apropos. > > So yeah, something is dumb to say sure. It’s coming from you. No, what you describes what you assumed, you used an argument from ignorance based on the chance that a time was never going to be found. You were wrong. Declaring that then I am the one that is saying the dumb thing should be based on something, not your ignorance being defended by you. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/227 "2015-01-09T21:25:26Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Indeed, but the point I made right away is that an specific time was found, I take it then that the point I made stands. > > No, what you describes what you assumed, you used an argument from ignorance based on the chance that a time was never going to be found. > > You were wrong. You made an assumption which was challenged and is still being challenged. You seem bad at supporting statements of fact that you make so let be try to be as specific as possible. > [@GIGObuster](#): > > Mmm, there seems to be a lot of trouble with time and timelines. 🙂 > > Slavery was not there when MLK Jr. was marching around.\*\* So the injustices that were present then (and that one still is here BTW) are the ones that he was talking about.\*\* (my bold) Support the following: That _the injustices that were present then are the ones that he was talking about._ Further, are you assuming that slavery was not in existence at the time the statement was made sometime around 1966? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/228 "2015-01-09T22:12:39Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > You made an assumption which was challenged and is still being challenged. You seem bad at supporting statements of fact that you make so let be try to be as specific as possible. Of course, specifically speaking you were wrong. > [@Bone](#): > > (my bold) > Support the following: > > That _the injustices that were present then are the ones that he was talking about._ He was talking to a crowd of medical people. The reality here is that you are the one that is ignoring the context. > [@Bone](#): > > Further, are you assuming that slavery was not in existence at the time the statement was made sometime around 1966? :rolleyes: There is still slavery, but the one he was aware of was in the past history, not the struggle he was in. > **[Memorable Martin Luther King, Jr. Quotations](https://www.thoughtco.com/martin-luther-king-jr-quotes-p2-1779776)** > > A collection of quotes by civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr. about justice, equality, life, law, freedom, peace, discrimination, and love. > [@](#): > > We were here before the mighty words of the Declaration of Independence were etched across the pages of history. Our forebears labored without wages. They made cotton ‘king’. And yet out of a bottomless vitality, they continued to thrive and develop. If the cruelties of slavery could not stop us, the opposition we now face will surely fail. . . . Because the goal of America is freedom, abused and scorned tho’ we may be, our destiny is tied up with America’s destiny. > – “Letter from Birmingham Jail,” April 16, 1963 Speaking of obfuscation the point made then stands anyhow. People and groups better than me fought and continue to fight to make health care a public good and even non religious human rights groups think so. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/229 "2015-01-09T22:37:25Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > He was talking to a crowd of medical people. The reality here is that you are the one that is ignoring the context. Yes he was talking to medical professionals. I note you haven’t supported your assumption. Can you do so? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/230 "2015-01-09T22:52:48Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Yes he was talking to medical professionals. I note you haven’t supported your assumption. Can you do so? Why is not enough to take into consideration that he indeed talked about slavery as a past thing? BTW that was not talked about in the quote. Nor in the link that was made early too: > **[Dr. Martin Luther King on health care injustice - PNHP](http://pnhp.org/news/dr-martin-luther-king-on-health-care-injustice/)** > > PNHP note: The Associated Press wire story below, dated March 26, 1966, contains the first known published reference to Dr. King's famous quotation regarding injustice in health care, namely, "Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health is... > [@](#): > > King Berates Medical Care Given Negroes > > Oshkosh Daily Northwestern (Oshkosh, Wis.), March 26, 1966 > > CHICAGO (AP) - Massive direct-action is needed to “raise the conscience of the nation” to the segregated and inferior medical care received by Negroes, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. said Friday night. > > Calling for court suits to force doctors and hospitals to comply with the Civil Rights Act, King and officers of the Medical Committee for Human Rights accused the American Medical Association of a “conspiracy of inaction” in civil rights. > > At a press conference before his speech to the committee’s annual meeting. King said: "We are concerned about the constant use of federal funds to support this most notorious expression of segregation. Of all the forms of inequality, injustice in health is the most shocking and the most inhuman because it often results in physical death. > > “I see no alternative to direct action and creative nonviolence to raise the conscience of the nation.” > > Dr. John L. S. Holloman, a New York City physician who heads the interracial committee, told reporters: “There is scarcely a hospital North or South that does not overtly or covertly discriminate against Negroes. County medical societies, especially in the South, have discriminated in admitting qualified Negro doctors.” he said. “We put the blame right on their (the AMA’s) doorstep.” The AMA had no immediate comment. > > [http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/21451804/](http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/21451804/) > > The same Associated Press wire story appeared in the Fresno Bee (Fresno, Calif.), the Ironwood Daily Globe (Ironwood, Mich.), and the Mt. Vernon Register News (Mt. Vernon, Ill.), among other outlets. This red herring about slavery is just more obfuscation from you. Seeing how a lot of times many poor people are also minorities and they are denied health care I do not see as hard to think that MLK would still be demanding more progress if he was alive. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/231 "2015-01-09T23:25:01Z")
This argument is easily the silliest thing I’ve seen today\*. What do you hope to gain here, **Bone**? - And I have, no lie, watched Britney Spears’ _Crossroads_ today. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/232 "2015-01-10T00:18:37Z")
> [@andros](#): > > This argument is easily the silliest thing I’ve seen today\*. What do you hope to gain here, **Bone**? It is rather silly. Do you think I’m right? I have an issue with folks assuming things to be true and stating them as facts. When I see it, I sometimes call it out. This is one of those times. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/233 "2015-01-10T00:54:54Z")
> [@andros](#): > > This argument is easily the silliest thing I’ve seen today\*. What do you hope to gain here, **Bone**? > > - And I have, no lie, watched Britney Spears’ _Crossroads_ today. Maybe he’s tired of a board where silly arguments are left alone when they come from liberals and challenged when they come from conservatives. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/234 "2015-01-10T01:04:45Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Maybe he’s tired of a board where silly arguments are left alone when they come from liberals and challenged when they come from conservatives. Of course it would help if the conservatives were correct and not silly, nor deniers of the progress made all over the world. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/235 "2015-01-10T01:33:14Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Of course it would help if the conservatives were correct and not silly, nor deniers of the progress made all over the world. AGAIN: you don’t get to define as “progress” your desired end goal. From a factual, objective standpoint, anyway, free, paid health care is not “progress,” in the sense of a more humane option. It’s simply a different policy choice. Do you concede this? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/236 "2015-01-10T01:50:06Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > AGAIN: you don’t get to define as “progress” your desired end goal. The take home lesson was that it is the desired end goal of most of the people of the earth and most of the good people in the USA. > [@Bricker](#): > > From a factual, objective standpoint, anyway, free, paid health care is not “progress,” in the sense of a more humane option. It’s simply a different policy choice. > > Do you concede this? Yes, but are silly for thinking I was going for an objective point, the quote I made early from the medical group I made said so better that I could, but of course it was better for you to ignore it. It is not my problem that you wanted to fight your misinterpretation. And paid health care is progress, it is still cheaper than the irrational alternative we have (and the current reform is incomplete still) and there is still a lot of changes that need to be done. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/237 "2015-01-10T01:53:06Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > The take home lesson was that it is the desired end goal of most of people of earth and most of the good people in the USA. Yes, I concede that this is true. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/238 "2015-01-10T05:26:54Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > AGAIN: you don’t get to define as “progress” your desired end goal. > > From a factual, objective standpoint, anyway, free, paid health care is not “progress,” in the sense of a more humane option. It’s simply a different policy choice. > > Do you concede this? What’s this shit? He can’t define it as “progress” but you can define it as _not_ “progress”? You got a political science laboratory, you ran experiments and published your results? So you got the objective fact, and he doesn’t? You did the math, you did the monster math? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2015, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-all-conservatives-who-have-bought-into-the-halbig-king-aca-trutherism-nonsense/707625/239 "2015-01-10T08:03:46Z")
Wow. Just wow. In a thread lamenting that the maniacal right is hoping to deny health care to indigents (which side is working toward “death squads” indeed?), our **Esquire Bricker** has diverted attention to the Reverend Martin Luther King’s alleged misuse of the word “inhumane.” And he’s whining that the “liberals” aren’t joining in to chastise Dr. King. What a supreme asshole. I’ll stipulate that Bricker’s 4th-grade debate coach drilled into him the useful trait of using words very precisely. I try to be precise when I’m writing journal articles: proofreading, rewriting, etc. But when ranting and screeding on a board like this, I just hope to avoid the most egregious of typos. Here’s the latest Bricker garbage that led me to post here: In another thread I mentioned that FoxNews “usually” changes the party designations of Republiopaths in scandal to “(D).” This was an incautious statement on my part – the word I meant was “often.” It turns out that Wikipedia has a list of 6 instances of FoxNews doing that; > [@Former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell & wife indicted \[ed: and convicted\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-virginia-governor-bob-mcdonnell-wife-indicted-ed-and-convicted/679414/50): > > [Yes.](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fox_News#The_party_switch) likely they missed others; does anyone think such errors were not deliberate? The interesting story is Fox’s reprehensibility; with a pattern like that all good-spirited Americans should be envouraging a mass boycott of that network. But what aspect turns on the Brickhead? > [@Former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell & wife indicted \[ed: and convicted\]](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/former-virginia-governor-bob-mcdonnell-wife-indicted-ed-and-convicted/679414/51): > > That site provides several examples, but does not support the claim that it is a “usual” practice. Stupid septimus used “usual” instead of the better “often” or “typical”. Bricker would have beat septimus in the 4th-grade debate society! Ha ha ha. Nadder nadder nadder! What a pretentious constipated twit. > [@Bricker](#): > > Maybe he’s tired of a board where silly arguments are left alone when they come from liberals and challenged when they come from conservatives. Point us to a specific “silly argument” and we’ll comment. I have no problem with Dr. King’s use of “inhumane.” “Inhumane”, much more so than words like “usual” or even “typical”, is one prone to different meanings for different people. It’s a word that inherently cannot be perceived as an _objective_ word. You were the star of your 4th-grade debate class and you didn’t even learn about words like that?? Search shows me that I’ve used the word “inhumane” a few times on this Board. To save Brickhead the bother, I’ll quote them, and provide rancid right-wing rebuttals. > [@The ambushed cops: So, it's all Obama's fault now?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-ambushed-cops-so-its-all-obamas-fault-now/707867/351): > > But it seems more reasonable to blame those cops … and also retarded right-wingers whose _ **inhumane** _ attitudes foster bad cop behavior. BRICKSHIT: What’s inhumane is black felons forcing the police to waste taxpayer-bought bullets. That’s why my friends and I carry guns and pay for our own ammunition. We’re ready to help out! > [@Condemned inmate croaks right before execution. What to do.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/condemned-inmate-croaks-right-before-execution-what-to-do/685183/30): > > Until society decides whether executions are intended to be painful revenge or _ **humane** _ eliminations, it should avoid them altogether. BRICKSHIT: Maximum pain and torture. That’s the humane way to treat inhumane criminals. > [@Denmark bans halal and kosher slaughter. Justifiable?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/denmark-bans-halal-and-kosher-slaughter-justifiable/681724/35): > > I don’t know about Denmark, but in U.S. the “lifestyles” of most cows are so _ **inhumane** _ that the creatures, if intelligent enough to form such a judgment, might welcome an end to their tedious life, whether in a death that takes 10 seconds, or one that takes 30 seconds. (I’ve read that a main slaughterhouse torture for cows is waiting in queue after they’ve figured out what’s happening.) To focus on that possible 20-second difference, especially since the evidence is unclear and it could go either way, strikes me as bizarrely stupid. It’s the kind of lame-brained reasoning that gives fodder to right-wingers who think “liberals” aren’t very smart. > > The legislation seems so silly from an animal-rights perspective, that I wonder if it’s actually intended instead as a jab at non-Christian religions. BRICKSHIT: Bravo! “Liberals aren’t very smart”! … From the mouths of inhumane centrists! > [@Will the LIBOR banking scandal manage to finally force banking reform in the US?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/will-the-libor-banking-scandal-manage-to-finally-force-banking-reform-in-the-us/627270/48): > > … So the premise that the common man fell victim to his own greed is incomplete. He had a lot of help; naive homebuyers were strongly urged to buy homes more expensive than they’d intended. > > But even if your premise were correct, the conclusion is wrong. 49% of the people are below average in intelligence. To blame such average people for being victimized by con men is _ **inhumane** _. It is precisely because people are imperfect, and because average people are not expected to take a college class in Bubbles and Burstings that regulation is needed. BRICKSHIT: The bilking of the stupid was Laissez-Faire Dog-eat-dog capitalism at its finest. Transferring money from the stupid and poor to the smart is the quintessential American dream. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ So Brickshit has shitted all over another thread, insulted that Martin Luther King used the word “inhumane.” Brickshit’s particular opinions about a particular word are more important than healthcare for the masses. It’s hard to believe this pretentious dolt was once a respected poster here. ---
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