# I Pit Amazing Grace Baptist Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/1 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")
[http://amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/](http://amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/) This church represents all that is wrong with Fundamentalist Christanity to-day and I say this as an Evangelical conservative Christian. I strictly believe in salvation by faith BTW so don’t mistake me for some mainline liberal. Anyways this church is over-legalistic and damns people and churches as heretics for using a non-KJV Bible version or saying they don’t exactly follow the literal interpertation of the Creation in the Bible or because they use “satanic” rock music or because they _shockers_ let women wear pants! :eek: These types of Christians have probably turned away more people from Christ and are even more extreme than the parody Landover Baptists Church. ---
**Author:** ![WolfpackJeep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpackjeep/32/2921_2.png) [@WolfpackJeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WolfpackJeep)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/2 "2009-10-23T23:04:09Z")
I can’t find the video for this online right now, but my local news station interviewed the slack-jawed hick who leads this congregation, which consists of about 14 people. I find it somewhat amusing that they’re also burning country music. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/3 "2009-10-23T23:38:48Z")
Maybe we’ll all get lucky, and their book burning will get a bit out of control, and their “church” and its members will get to feel the cleansing fires of martyrdom. Or they could all get hit by a truck. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/4 "2009-10-23T23:59:43Z")
> [@](#): > > We Believe That God Is The Creator Of The Universe. He created the universe in six literal, 24-hour periods. We reject evolution, the Gap Theory, the Day-Age Theory, and Theistic Evolution as unscriptural theories of origin (Genesis 1-2; Exodus 20:11). The earth is about six thousand years old, not millions of years old. Tell them the earth is 4.5 billion years old and watch their heads explode! ---
**Author:** ![zen101](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c68b51/32.png) [@zen101](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zen101)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/5 "2009-10-24T00:08:33Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > [http://amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/](http://amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/) > > This church represents all that is wrong with Fundamentalist Christanity to-day and I say this as an Evangelical conservative Christian. I strictly believe in salvation by faith BTW so don’t mistake me for some mainline liberal. Anyways this church is over-legalistic and damns people and churches as heretics for using a non-KJV Bible version or saying they don’t exactly follow the literal interpertation of the Creation in the Bible or because they use “satanic” rock music or because they _shockers_ let women wear pants! :eek: These types of Christians have probably turned away more people from Christ and are even more extreme than the parody Landover Baptists Church. Just curious, but can you define what a “mainline liberal” is? Is an atheist or an agnostic the same thing as a liberal? Or do you mean a socialist, or a cooperativist? the reason I ask is that from what I’ve read the early Christians were pretty “liberal” in terms of socioeconomic structure as well as a stated non-violent creed (turning the other cheek, etc). ---
**Author:** ![user\_hostile](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/user_hostile/32/474_2.png) [@user\_hostile](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/user_hostile)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/6 "2009-10-24T00:12:04Z")
I, for one, welcome our slack-jawed hick overlords ---
**Author:** ![fuzzypickles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9d8465/32.png) [@fuzzypickles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fuzzypickles)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/7 "2009-10-24T00:23:25Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > These types of Christians have probably turned away more people from Christ and are even more extreme than the parody Landover Baptists Church. You say that like it’s a bad thing. ---
**Author:** ![chique](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4491bb/32.png) [@chique](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chique)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/8 "2009-10-24T01:42:00Z")
> [@zen101](#): > > Just curious, but can you define what a “mainline liberal” is? Is an atheist or an agnostic the same thing as a liberal? Or do you mean a socialist, or a cooperativist? the reason I ask is that from what I’ve read the early Christians were pretty “liberal” in terms of socioeconomic structure as well as a stated non-violent creed (turning the other cheek, etc). I won’t speak for the OP but in my personal experience the ELCA, the UU, and liberal Quakers (Friends) are all examples of people who follow a (n at least nominally) Christian faith but aren’t-like-y’know stupid about it. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/9 "2009-10-24T02:25:41Z")
I love the first sentence on the Dolly Parton page: “Dolly’s new album called Backwoods Barbie contains the song “Jesus and Gravity”, along with songs about adultery, drinking, carousing, breaking your martial vows and more of the like. She also got her bellybutton pierced.” ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/10 "2009-10-24T02:28:38Z")
> [@zen101](#): > > Just curious, but can you define what a “mainline liberal” is? Is an atheist or an agnostic the same thing as a liberal? Or do you mean a socialist, or a cooperativist? the reason I ask is that from what I’ve read the early Christians were pretty “liberal” in terms of socioeconomic structure as well as a stated non-violent creed (turning the other cheek, etc). I mean the theologically liberal Christians especially of the Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Methodist denominations who tolerate homosexuals and even allow homosexual marriages, the ordination of women, salvation by good works, and so on. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/11 "2009-10-24T02:35:44Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > I mean the theologically liberal Christians especially of the Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Methodist denominations who tolerate homosexuals and even allow homosexual marriages, the ordination of women, salvation by good works, and so on. Huh? So you’re not a “mainline liberal” therefore you’re intolerant toward homosexuals, do not believe in the ordination of women and do not believe in the concept of salvation by good works. And so on. What makes your brand of Christianity better than the asshole bigots of your OP? Because you believe in rock and roll and letting women wear pants? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/12 "2009-10-24T02:38:36Z")
I really am not sure what salvation by faith or works has to do with how liberal or conservative a theology is. That being said, we at the library have had a very good time making fun of these people. I’ve always wondered what language they really think Jesus spoke. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/13 "2009-10-24T03:01:19Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Huh? So you’re not a “mainline liberal” therefore you’re intolerant toward homosexuals, do not believe in the ordination of women and do not believe in the concept of salvation by good works. And so on. > > What makes your brand of Christianity better than the asshole bigots of your OP? Because you believe in rock and roll and letting women wear pants? :rolleyes: Because it’s quite clearly stated in the Bible the three things you mention and the last one of salvation by faith at least is a core concept. On the other hand there is no mention in the Bible against rock and roll and only a broadly interpertive statement on women and men’s clothing. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/14 "2009-10-24T03:09:58Z")
Jesus didn’t say a damn thing about gays. ETA: I think the usual concept is that your faith will manifest itself in works of charity and the like. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/15 "2009-10-24T03:11:19Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Because it’s quite clearly stated in the Bible… So anyone who deviates from your interpretation of the bible is damned for eternity. Who, exactly, gave you this authority and why is your viewpoint more valid than anyone elses? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/16 "2009-10-24T03:16:46Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > I mean the theologically liberal Christians especially of the Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Methodist denominations who tolerate homosexuals and even allow homosexual marriages, the ordination of women, salvation by good works, and so on. > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Because it’s quite clearly stated in the Bible the three things you mention and the last one of salvation by faith at least is a core concept. On the other hand there is no mention in the Bible against rock and roll and only a broadly interpertive statement on women and men’s clothing. It also says that faith without works is as dead as a corpse. So much for your “faith alone”. Did you also hear the parable of the sheep and the goats? What about “whatsoever you do to the least, you do unto me?” ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/17 "2009-10-24T03:19:20Z")
Jesus said a lot about gays. One of my favorite things He said about gays? He said, “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Then He told a big long story about how the “typical” pillars of the community passed by a man in need for selfish reasons, while a man whose people were essentially in a religious war with the Hebrews stopped and took care of him, and paid out of his own pocket for his recuperation- the upshot of that story being that your neighbor is everyone, even those people who would for all intents and purposes appear to be nothing like you, or even diametrically opposed to you. Of course, Jesus didn’t flat-out say “Yo- GAY PEOPLE ARE OK!!! This means YOU, AMAZING GRACE BAPTIST CHURCH!” So I can see where they may have missed the message. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/18 "2009-10-24T03:27:58Z")
I’m not saying you shouldn’t do any good works, but you must have faith first and foremost. Also homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament: 1 Corinithians 6:9-10 (NIV); > [@](#): > > Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor **homosexual offenders** nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. This does not mean however that I hate homosexuals, I merely believe it to be a sin. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/19 "2009-10-24T03:58:25Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > I’m not saying you shouldn’t do any good works, but you must have faith first and foremost. Also homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament: > > 1 Corinithians 6:9-10 (NIV); > > This does not mean however that I hate homosexuals, I merely believe it to be a sin. You’re way out of your depth here. Search GQ and you’ll find several threads about how that quote is probably mistranslated. The commonly used Greek term for homosexuals was _paiderasste_, but instead the Greek text uses the term _arsenokoitai_, which is unknown to modern scholars and may have nothing at all to do with sexuality. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/20 "2009-10-24T04:00:10Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > I’m not saying you shouldn’t do any good works, but you must have faith first and foremost. Also homosexuality is condemned in the New Testament: > > 1 Corinithians 6:9-10 (NIV); > > > [@](#): > > > > Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. > > This does not mean however that I hate homosexuals, I merely believe it to be a sin. Well good for you. You still aren’t any better than the group you linked to in the OP. Oh and btw, what human wrote that passage in Corinthians? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=2)