# I Pit Amazing Grace Baptist Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![raindog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@raindog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raindog)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/241 "2009-10-28T15:48:27Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > People perrenially miss the point on this issue by fixating on homosexuality. It isn’t homosexuality that is the sin, the sin is ‘spilling one’s seed’. Cite? > [@](#): > > That’s why masturbation and homosexuality are roughly equivalent sins. Homosexuality being greater possibly only because it is seen as corrupting someone else in addition to yourself. Cite? > [@](#): > > Basically it was only seen as moral to have sex for procreation. Cite? > [@](#): > > Even recreational sex with one’s wife would be sinful under this rubric if you did it knowing full well that you’re not intending to have a child. Cite? > [@](#): > > This is why there are similar prohibitions against having sex with your wife while she is on the rag. As homosexuality can never result in pregnancy it is always sinful. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/242 "2009-10-28T15:52:14Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Well, if it goes anywhere but in her eye, you missed, right? “Did you ever get cum in your eye, Gabriel? It BURRRRRRNS!” Points to the first non-gay Doper who posts the title of the movie… ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/243 "2009-10-28T16:14:40Z")
> [@raindog](#): > > Cite? Cite? Cite?Cite? Cite? I’ll see what I can do. But it’s a bit more complex than just pithy quotables. Basically Christ didn’t go in for the ‘Who is a bigger sinner’ game. And really, Paul wrote more about the proper use of sex than anyone else in the New Testament. He was of the opinion that one shouldn’t have sex at all, but if they are going to then the proper venue was within marriage for procreation. I’ll see if I can find the bit in Corinthians where he talks to people about it. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/244 "2009-10-28T16:16:26Z")
Here’s something interesting while I do some more research. [http://www.gospel.com/topics/spill+seed](http://www.gospel.com/topics/spill+seed) ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/245 "2009-10-28T16:22:56Z")
Sex with a woman during Menstruation: > **[A True Church - Sex During Menstruation](https://atruechurch.info/sexduringmenstruation.html)** > [@](#): > > If a man lies with a woman during her sickness and uncovers her nakedness, he has exposed her flow, and she has uncovered the flow of her blood. Both of them shall be cut off from their people. (Leviticus 20:18) ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/246 "2009-10-28T16:48:14Z")
That’s why Matisyahu never signs autographs for women–no way to tell if they’re menstruating, doncha know. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/247 "2009-10-28T16:59:02Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > That’s why Matisyahu never signs autographs for women–no way to tell if they’re menstruating, doncha know. That makes me want to put on some Matisyahu. I love the track he did with Crystal Method - Drown in the Now. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/248 "2009-10-28T17:10:21Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Sex with a woman during Menstruation: > > [A True Church - Sex During Menstruation](http://www.atruechurch.info/sexduringmenstruation.html) Sure, but _ **I think** _\* that the cite request was for evidence that _the reason_ you shouldn’t nail a menstruating woman was because it couldn’t lead to pregnancy. The books of the law (Leviticus? probably) say you shouldn’t have sex with a menstruating woman, but I always figured it was because she was perceived as ‘unclean.’ In fact, Abraham clearly got it on with his wife even though he and Sarah both believed she was barren. No chance of pregnancy, but not a sin. So, you know, counter-example to your overarching ‘rule.’ \*I know you have difficulty apprehending when you respond to one person, and _a different person_ questions your response, so this time I’m highlighting it for you. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/249 "2009-10-28T17:22:14Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Sure, but _ **I think** _\* that the cite request was for evidence that _the reason_ you shouldn’t nail a menstruating woman was because it couldn’t lead to pregnancy. > > The books of the law (Leviticus? probably) say you shouldn’t have sex with a menstruating woman, but I always figured it was because she was perceived as ‘unclean.’ > > In fact, Abraham clearly got it on with his wife even though he and Sarah both believed she was barren. No chance of pregnancy, but not a sin. So, you know, counter-example to your overarching ‘rule.’ > > \*I know you have difficulty apprehending when you respond to one person, and _a different person_ questions your response, so this time I’m highlighting it for you. I think the point is that there is a lot of allegory related to sowing one’s seed in fertile soil. The only reason that it matters that she is unclean is because the soil that you’d be tilling is polluted. I think that at this point I am simply not capable of adequately getting into this depth of a theological discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/250 "2009-10-28T17:28:52Z")
Menstruation? They referred to it as a “woman’s sickness”. I doubt they knew that it was the flushing of a non-fertilized egg, hence making the “ground barren”, or whatever. Chrissakes, I’m not fully convinced that they had fully put two and two together that fucking is the cause of babies. These were not enlightened times we’re talking about. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/251 "2009-10-28T17:39:29Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > fucking is the cause of babies. Wait - what now? ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/252 "2009-10-28T17:45:23Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > People perrenially miss the point on this issue by fixating on homosexuality. It isn’t homosexuality that is the sin, the sin is ‘spilling one’s seed’. That’s why masturbation and homosexuality are roughly equivalent sins. Homosexuality being greater possibly only because it is seen as corrupting someone else in addition to yourself. Basically it was only seen as moral to have sex for procreation. Even recreational sex with one’s wife would be sinful under this rubric if you did it knowing full well that you’re not intending to have a child. This is why there are similar prohibitions against having sex with your wife while she is on the rag. As homosexuality can never result in pregnancy it is always sinful. > > Don’t mistake this post for endorsement, I have spilled my seed into many a sock. 😉 And yet you are allowed to marry, and homosexuals are not. So while Christ didn’t go in for the ‘Who is a bigger sinner’ game, his followers sure did. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/253 "2009-10-28T17:54:28Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Wait - what now? Cause as in origin, not cause as in platform. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/254 "2009-10-28T17:55:02Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > And yet you are allowed to marry, and homosexuals are not. So while Christ didn’t go in for the ‘Who is a bigger sinner’ game, his followers sure did. This isn’t even a response to what I typed you just found it an excuse to express your ennui. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/255 "2009-10-28T18:05:24Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Menstruation? They referred to it as a “woman’s sickness”. I doubt they knew that it was the flushing of a non-fertilized egg, hence making the “ground barren”, or whatever. Chrissakes, I’m not fully convinced that they had fully put two and two together that fucking is the cause of babies. These were not enlightened times we’re talking about. Oh, come on now. They weren’t _stupid_. For example, witness how people thought Joseph should put Mary aside because she’d clearly been sleeping around and wasn’t a virgin, as evidenced by the fact that she was eating a lot of pickles and didn’t fit into her skinny robes anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/256 "2009-10-28T19:13:26Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > “Did you ever get cum in your eye, Gabriel? It BURRRRRRNS!” > > Points to the first non-gay Doper who posts the title of the movie… I don’t qualify for the points but just gotta say ‘well played’.😃 ## “So where was I… so I’m lickin’ his balls…” Speaking of spilling one’s _seed_ in the ancient world, it’s worth remembering that _seed_ was not a euphemism. The role- for that matter the _existence_ of the egg in conception would not be known for more than 1700 years after Paul, and it was honestly believed that sperm was seed- [itty bitty babies](http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~canessa/images/Homunculus%20by%20Nicolaus%20Hartsoeker%201694.jpg)that incubated in the mother. To have sex that wasn’t procreational was killing itty bitty babies. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/257 "2009-10-28T19:15:32Z")
> [@Zsofia](#): > > Oh, come on now. They weren’t _stupid_. For example, witness how people thought Joseph should put Mary aside because she’d clearly been sleeping around and wasn’t a virgin, as evidenced by the fact that she was eating a lot of pickles and didn’t fit into her skinny robes anymore. Right, people in an agrarian society understood things like ovulation cycles and how to breed. People have this idea that no one knew anything until Science came along to explain it. You don’t need to know about an ovum to know that it’s not a proper time to breed when someone is on their period. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/258 "2009-10-28T19:44:13Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Right, people in an agrarian society understood things like ovulation cycles and how to breed. People have this idea that no one knew anything until Science came along to explain it. You don’t need to know about an ovum to know that it’s not a proper time to breed when someone is on their period. They saw women as like the ground; there’s a right time to plant and a wrong time. They didn’t understand the mechanics of fertilization but they knew the ‘symptoms’. (I grew up knewing old hillbillies who could barely read, let alone understand the physics of vaporization and condensation, but they could still make moonshine- same principal). And of course if they had any doubts about it the wife or wives could help them out by saying “Come plow me Big Ahinodoab! Plow me like the Jezreel!” ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/259 "2009-10-28T19:45:30Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > You don’t need to know about an ovum to know that it’s not a proper time to breed when someone is on their period. Yeah. Who wants to fuck some sick broad? ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/260 "2009-10-28T20:06:08Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > They saw women as like the ground; there’s a right time to plant and a wrong time. They didn’t understand the mechanics of fertilization but they knew the ‘symptoms’. (I grew up knewing old hillbillies who could barely read, let alone understand the physics of vaporization and condensation, but they could still make moonshine- same principal). And of course if they had any doubts about it the wife or wives could help them out by saying “Come plow me Big Ahinodoab! Plow me like the Jezreel!” Yes, that’s what I mean. A woman’s monthly cycle is not unlike that of the seasons. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=14)