# I Pit Amazing Grace Baptist Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/281 "2009-10-29T16:38:02Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > I’ll agree with that. I just gotta pray there’s hope for them. Yeah, I hope so. It’s unfortunate when people think that Christ’s approval depends on how much hatred they show everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/282 "2009-10-29T16:39:35Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > How did this happen? Who can cancel out these sorts of things? Anything else canceled out? > I’m curious and would like more information please. My interpretation of the following scripture: Jesus gave these two commandments as the greatest and most important commandments. This does not say that the previous 10 were cancelled: but these two are more important than the rest. Nothing should get in the way of observing these. Matthew 22: 34-40: “34”: But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. “35”: Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, “36”: Master, which is the great commandment in the law? “37”: Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. “38”: This is the first and great commandment. “39”: And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. “40”: On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/283 "2009-10-29T18:32:16Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > Gotcha. They’re a bunch of douchebags, I just quoted it because they had the proper biblical citations. Douchebags hate menstruation? Is it like a professional rivalry? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/284 "2009-10-29T18:37:35Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > This isn’t even a response to what I typed you just found it an excuse to express your ennui. It was totally a response to what you said. Well, the last line of it, anyway. Also, that sentence would be much more legible if you’d at least put in a damn comma splice instead of just jamming two sentences together. Also: ennui doesn’t mean what you apparently think it means. > [@ToeJam](#): > > How did this happen? Who can cancel out these sorts of things? Anything else canceled out? > I’m curious and would like more information please. It’s taught that Jesus canceled them out–he showed up and said, “Look, these laws are getting out of hand. Let’s cut it down to something manageable.” And then threw out most of the nitpicky old stuff. Which is why, e.g., Christians don’t keep kosher while some sects of Judaism still do. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/285 "2009-10-29T18:40:16Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > It’s taught that Jesus canceled them out–he showed up and said, “Look, these laws are getting out of hand. Let’s cut it down to something manageable.” And then threw out most of the nitpicky old stuff. Which is why, e.g., Christians don’t keep kosher while some sects of Judaism still do. Where did he say that? Matthew 5:17-18 (above) says _exactly the opposite_. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/286 "2009-10-29T19:32:25Z")
Close to 20 years of Catholic school is my cite–I don’t have a Bible handy to go skimming through the entire New Testament. If you want to argue that Christians apply the pre-Jesus rules of Judaism, though, I’d like to see where they keep kosher, or require circumcision, or can’t wear cotton-poly blends, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/287 "2009-10-29T20:13:19Z")
I think the cite is in Acts somewhere; something to do a vision granted to Peter in regards to whether to let non-circumcized types into the Church. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/288 "2009-10-29T20:27:03Z")
Not keeping kosher is definitely Paul - Jesus kept kosher, and didn’t evangelize to non-Jews (or go out of his way to heal them). He also said, as \*\*Sampiro \*\*notes, to keep to the law. Paul had a dream where God said, “Hey, do you think I made pigs and stuff so you _wouldn’t_ eat them? What’s that about?” I think Paul is also the Sunday Sabbath instead of Saturday, also, but that might have been Peter. Jesus was the inventor, Paul was the guy who handled the marketing. ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/289 "2009-10-29T20:46:16Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > “37”: Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. > “38”: This is the first and great commandment. > “39”: And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. > “40”: On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Oh sweetness, then I’m cool. Maybe this God thing wasn’t such a bad idea at all for you guys. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/290 "2009-10-29T20:56:59Z")
> [@bup](#): > > Not keeping kosher is definitely Paul - Jesus kept kosher, and didn’t evangelize to non-Jews (or go out of his way to heal them). He also said, as \*\*Sampiro \*\*notes, to keep to the law. > > Paul had a dream where God said, "Hey, do you think I made pigs and stuff so you _wouldn’t_ eat them? What’s that about?"esus was the inventor, Paul was the guy who handled the marketing. The non-kosher dream was Peter’s. And Jesus healed non-Jews (the centurion’s slave, for one) and evangelized to the Samaritan woman (for your faith, you will be saved). ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/291 "2009-10-29T21:21:22Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > The non-kosher dream was Peter’s. Oh. Gotta reread that. > [@](#): > > And Jesus healed non-Jews (the centurion’s slave, for one) and evangelized to the Samaritan woman (for your faith, you will be saved). Well, I said he didn’t go out of his way to heal them. Sometimes the non-Jews really had to twist his arm. And the Samaritan (quasi-Jew anyway) is a sort of exception - that’s really the point of that little episode. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/292 "2009-10-29T21:38:57Z")
> [@bup](#): > > And the Samaritan (quasi-Jew anyway) is a sort of exception - that’s really the point of that little episode. Quasi-Jew like Ismaili Shi’ites are quasi-Muslims to Wahhabi Sunnis. The Samaritans and Jews hated each other…that’s the whole point of the Good Samaritan parable. There’s no loathing like family loathing… ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/293 "2009-10-29T21:41:05Z")
> [@](#): > > Shot From Guns Close to 20 years of Catholic school is my cite–I don’t have a Bible handy to go skimming through the entire New Testament. My cite is “nuh-hu!”, and the Bible. (You know somebody ought to put a full-text electronically searchable Bible [or 6,000] online sometime.) > [@bup](#): > > Paul had a dream where God said, “Hey, do you think I made pigs and stuff so you _wouldn’t_ eat them? What’s that about.” I wonder if in the original Greek he mentioned bananas. ## It’s little known that Paul wrote his letters in a mnemonic device for easy memory- it was to the tune of a popular song that originated in Rome’s LITTLE BABYLON THEATRICUM in a stage show called GYPTICA. Excerpts in the original translation: Why did I do it? What did it get me? Papyruses full of me in the byline Give him devotion and what does it get you? They get Gospels and you’re tried for treason All your life and what does it get ya? Thanks a lot now the boat to Rome’s this way He’s a God and you’re a misogynistic nutcase. “I had a dream! I dreamed it for you Gentiles! It wasn’t for me Peter! And if it wasn’t for me Just where would you be? Je-sus of Galilee!” * * * Well someone tell me when is it my turn? Don’t I get a dream for myself? Startin’ now it’s gonna be my turn stand back Rome get off of my via startin’ now I bat a thousand this time Jews I’m taking the bows and Everything’s coming up ham! Everything’s comin’ up pork chops and sausages, everything’s comin’ up shrimp balls and lobster tails everything’s comin’ up wabbit and camel cheese this time for meeeeeee! This time for meeeeeeeat! FOR MEAAAAAAAAAT!" ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/294 "2009-10-29T21:41:27Z")
Also consider the “man was made for the Sabbath, not the Sabbath for man” bit, in terms of resetting the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/295 "2009-10-29T21:45:11Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Also consider the “man was made for the Sabbath, not the Sabbath for man” bit, in terms of resetting the rules. So we can do pretty much anything we like and justify it scripturally if we say that “somewhere along the line somebody said that Jesus said it was okay” without need of proof or further cite or discussion? ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/296 "2009-10-29T22:01:49Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Also consider the “man was made for the Sabbath, not the Sabbath for man” bit, in terms of resetting the rules. Also the “Fuck a buncha fasting n’ shit. We got hookers and blow!” I think there was something like that. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/297 "2009-10-29T22:12:00Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > Also consider the “man was made for the Sabbath, not the Sabbath for man” bit, in terms of resetting the rules. I think you got that quote backwards. Still, AFAIK, any rule resets were initiated by Peter’s nap in Acts, and that was post-Ascension. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/298 "2009-10-29T22:23:07Z")
Speaking as a chick, I hate menstruation. Periods suck. ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/299 "2009-10-30T00:00:03Z")
> [@Shot\_From\_Guns](#): > > It was totally a response to what you said. Well, the last line of it, anyway. Also, that sentence would be much more legible if you’d at least put in a damn comma splice instead of just jamming two sentences together. I am not interested in hearing about how angry and butthurt someone is that they can’t get married and straight people can every time we discuss the theology of it. If he wants to discuss the theology of it fine. If he wants to whine about how life is unfair he should start a thread. I won’t participate. It’s unfair, I agree, but we don’t need to hijack every discussion of Christian theology and its relationship to sex to talk about how unfair it is that straight people can marry and gay people cannot. > [@](#): > > Also: ennui doesn’t mean what you apparently think it means. Yeah, you’re right. **Sampiro** Well by definition their job is to get rid of any remnants of it. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2009, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/300 "2009-10-30T00:06:40Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > **Sampiro** Well by definition their job is to get rid of any remnants of it. So the douchebag is the Winston Wolf of the Menstrual Mafia… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=16)