# I Pit Amazing Grace Baptist Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/381 "2009-12-02T03:10:52Z")
They’ve now systemized a very long list of heretics which includes such people as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and John Calvin. This also reveals a glaring contradiction: they praise Charles Spurgeon who’s a Calvinist yet attack Calvinism’s originator. They also are convinced anyone who doesn’t take the seven days of Creation literally (ie is a Young Earth Creationist (which again reveals a contradiction: Spurgeon wasn’t a Young Earth Creationist he was an Old Earth Creationist)) or thinks Catholics are real Christians are damned: [http://amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/gpage19.html](http://amazinggracebaptistchurchkjv.com/gpage19.html) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/382 "2009-12-02T05:26:55Z")
_snerk_ > [@](#): > > Titus 3:10 “A man that is an **heretick** after the first and second admonition reject;” > [@Whoever is in charge of deciding what is and what isn't God's Word at Amazing Grace Baptist Church](#): > > How much of the Word of God does one have to deny, change, add too, weaken to be an **heretic**? When one uses any other version he is calling God a liar, a deceiver, adding to God’s Word, denying, and changing it. Are they saying that God is a liar about how the word “heretick” is correctly spelled? For shame. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AboutAsWeirdAsYouCanGet)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/383 "2009-12-02T09:56:16Z")
> [@](#): > > How would you know? Do you believe that that all of his writings, including those written under guard in prison, survived him then? It’s not possible there’s a missing “Epistle to the Athenians” or a first and second Alexandrians that didn’t make the final compilation? And how do you address the issue of his use of vague words he seems to have coined when words for homosexual acts and their participants existed and would have been known to him and to his readers? Curtis, did you know that there’s a WHOLE bunch of sacred Christian writings that aren’t even in the Bible? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/384 "2009-12-02T14:54:57Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > They’ve now systemized a very long list of heretics which includes such people as Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell… If the enemy of my enemy is my friend, Amazing Grace Baptist Church and I are bffs. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2009, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/385 "2009-12-02T14:58:13Z")
Curtis criticizing Amazing Grace Baptist Church = White Citizens’ Council criticizing the KKK From an outsider’s perspective, anyway. Same shit, different public face. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/386 "2009-12-03T00:50:00Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Curtis criticizing Amazing Grace Baptist Church = White Citizens’ Council criticizing the KKK > > From an outsider’s perspective, anyway. Same shit, different public face. Obviously you do not understand the differences between Evangelicals and fundamentalists. Also do not turn this into a religious debate please, go to teh Great Debates subforum for that. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/387 "2009-12-03T00:59:10Z")
It does invite the question of how you found yourself in the position of learning about AGBC’s activities and plans. Been slumming? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/388 "2009-12-03T00:59:18Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Obviously you do not understand the differences between Evangelicals and fundamentalists. I don’t understand the difference between your brand of hatred and theirs. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/389 "2009-12-03T01:05:01Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > I am not a Jesus Freak! I am just a Christian who’s trying to follow what I believe is truth and you know what, the vast majority of conservative and Evangelical Christians agree with the idea that homosexuality is a sin. The vast majority of conservative and Evangelical Christians are also ignorant as shit about the developmental process that their own religion and scriptures went through. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/390 "2009-12-03T02:04:49Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Obviously you do not understand the differences between Evangelicals and fundamentalists. I’m sorry, but I think it’s all silly games with a very dark edge. There are Christians I respect and trust, but that respect and trust doesn’t come to them because they’re Christian, but because they’re worthy of respect and trust in themselves. A stranger calling him or herself a Christian doesn’t make me do anything but hold a little tighter to my wallet and examine their motives more closely. I don’t generally get anything from the vast majority of Christianity but stress and obstacles laid in my path. You have to understand that “Christian” means a much different thing to me than it does to you, and it’s not a positive thing generally. People like **Polycarp** and **Siege** are rare exceptions, to me. I know there are denominations that accept gay people without the necessity to deny the possibility of a romantic relationship ever, but even those are in the minority, and none of them with the exception of UU seem to be universally welcoming. The Christian world is a very different place for me than it is for you, **Curtis**. And you might want to examine the motes/logs passage a little more closely, also. You, as an evangelical, might want to look down on the Fundamentalists as embarrassing country cousins, but it might serve you well to look in the mirror. The degree of difference between “Hate the sin, love the sinner” and “God hates fags” is very, very small. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/391 "2009-12-03T02:21:39Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Obviously you do not understand the differences between Evangelicals and fundamentalists. > > Also do not turn this into a religious debate please, go to teh Great Debates subforum for that. Which isn’t a large difference, **Curtis**. And it’s been a religious debate since page one. (However, I would suggest you not start yet ANOTHER new thread – you’ve started far, far too many here) ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/392 "2009-12-03T02:38:10Z")
I don’t know whether to be happy that **Curtis** is back after a slight dip in posting frequency because he’s good for a quick laugh or sad because he, I think, takes himself a little too seriously and isn’t met with the same POV. Oh and **Guin** , he’ll start a meaningless public poll if he damn well wants to! Personally, I hope his next poll is asking if he should start a new religious “debate.” ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/393 "2009-12-03T16:11:33Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Also do not turn this into a religious debate please, go to teh Great Debates subforum for that. I don’t think that was a religious debate; I think that was an insult to you. So, nope, still the right forum. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/394 "2009-12-04T02:29:11Z")
First of all homosexual sex can easily be proven as sinful as 1) sex outside marriage is sinful and 2) marriage is only meant for one man and one woman. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/395 "2009-12-04T02:38:02Z")
Well then. Issue resolved. Well played. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/396 "2009-12-04T02:51:47Z")
Hatred is hatred. God is love. The two do not mix. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/397 "2009-12-04T03:14:20Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > First of all homosexual sex can easily be proven as sinful as 1) sex outside marriage is sinful and 2) marriage is only meant for one man and one woman. Well, it was sure nice talking to you. Since we’re obviously not going to do much to change things in there, I guess we’re done. Let us know when you start thinking for yourself instead of letting your pastor think for you. Incidentally, I don’t recognize or acknowledge that your religious beliefs apply to me. I’ll thank you to not use them to keep me from achieving equal treatment. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/398 "2009-12-04T03:28:19Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > First of all homosexual sex can easily be proven as sinful as 1) sex outside marriage is sinful and 2) marriage is only meant for one man and one woman. Says you. :rolleyes: God, it’s like talking to dried mud. ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/399 "2009-12-04T03:32:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Says you. :rolleyes: > God, it’s like talking to dried mud. Well, actually “says the Bible”. He should have added that. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/400 "2009-12-04T04:19:34Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Well, actually “says the Bible”. He should have added that. Yeah, but I assume they already knew that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=21)