# I Pit Amazing Grace Baptist Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/401 "2009-12-04T04:20:59Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Yeah, but I assume they already knew that. You know what happens when we assume things! Especially in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/402 "2009-12-04T04:23:17Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Yeah, but I assume they already knew that. It’s irrelevant. It means as much to me as saying “says ‘Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban’”. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/403 "2009-12-04T04:50:17Z")
It’s a sin because the Bible says so, and the Bible says so because it’s a sin, right? (Note – I have nothing against the Bible in general) ---
**Author:** ![dhkendall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a9adbd/32.png) [@dhkendall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dhkendall)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/404 "2009-12-04T15:03:32Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > > [@begbert2](#): > > > > The vast majority of conservative and Evangelical Christians are also ignorant as shit about the developmental process that their own religion and scriptures went through. > > I’m sorry, but I think it’s all silly games with a very dark edge. There are Christians I respect and trust, but that respect and trust doesn’t come to them because they’re Christian, but because they’re worthy of respect and trust in themselves. A stranger calling him or herself a Christian doesn’t make me do anything but hold a little tighter to my wallet and examine their motives more closely. > > I don’t generally get anything from the vast majority of Christianity but stress and obstacles laid in my path. You have to understand that “Christian” means a much different thing to me than it does to you, and it’s not a positive thing generally. People like **Polycarp** and **Siege** are rare exceptions, to me. I know there are denominations that accept gay people without the necessity to deny the possibility of a romantic relationship ever, but even those are in the minority, and none of them with the exception of UU seem to be universally welcoming. > > The Christian world is a very different place for me than it is for you, **Curtis**. > > And you might want to examine the motes/logs passage a little more closely, also. You, as an evangelical, might want to look down on the Fundamentalists as embarrassing country cousins, but it might serve you well to look in the mirror. The degree of difference between “Hate the sin, love the sinner” and “God hates fags” is very, very small. Which is why I hesitate to tell others that I’m a Christian (and even more hesitation to share that I go to an evangelical church), it is associated with too much baggage in their minds, and people start to think “Oh, you’re a Christian who goes to an evangelical church! I know what you believe!” no you bloody well don’t! All you know is that I call myself a Christian and that I go an evangelical church! That’s it! I don’t agree with all the policies of my church (part of the reason I don’t take out membership there), heck, I haven’t found a church anywhere that agrees 100% with my beliefs, but going to church is important to me so I go. (Also, part of me just loves to argue precepts the church believes in that I think are utterly ridiculous, can’t argue points I disagree with in a church where I agree with everything, now can I? I guess that’s the Doper in me.) For the record, I believe in homosexuals getting any right and freedom they want because they’re human beings and are entitled to it as a result (including marriage); I believe in complete gender equality; I don’t believe the earth is 6,000 years old; and I believe in evolution. None of these is what my church believes in, and I’m positive that when I tell others that I’m a Christian (with or without adding the “attends an evangelical church” part) there are those (probably “most”) who automatically assume I don’t believe the above. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/405 "2009-12-04T20:15:05Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > First of all homosexual sex can easily be proven as sinful as 1) sex outside marriage is sinful and 2) marriage is only meant for one man and one woman. Can you provide evidence to support those assertions? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/406 "2009-12-04T20:49:10Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Can you provide evidence to support those assertions? You must have FAITH!! Curtis says it’s easily proven, and you must trust him! He knows better than all of us sinners. ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/407 "2009-12-04T21:03:40Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > First of all homosexual sex can easily be proven as sinful as 1) sex outside marriage is sinful and 2) marriage is only meant for one man and one woman. First of all interracial sex can easily be proven as sinful as 1) sex outside marriage is sinful and 2) marriage is only meant for one man and one woman of the same race. ---
**Author:** ![LonesomePolecat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e57/32.png) [@LonesomePolecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LonesomePolecat)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/408 "2009-12-04T21:16:10Z")
> [@](#): > > We believe that any form of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality, bestiality, incest, fornication, adultery and pornography are sinful perversions of God’s gift of sex (Gen. 2:24; 19:5; 26:8-9; Leviticus 18:1-30; Romans 1:26-29; I Corinthians 5:1; 6:9; I Thessalonians 4:1-8; Hebrews 13:4). Nothing about miscegnation? Damn liberals. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/409 "2009-12-04T22:25:16Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > Can you provide evidence to support those assertions? Evi-dence? Evil-dents? You want to batter him with evil! Temptor! Temptor! Get thee behind him! ---
**Author:** ![ToeJam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dfb087/32.png) [@ToeJam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ToeJam)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/410 "2009-12-04T22:28:07Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > Get thee behind him! Isn’t that what started this whole mess in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Shot\_From\_Guns](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ccd318/32.png) [@Shot\_From\_Guns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shot_From_Guns)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/411 "2009-12-04T22:28:53Z")
Congratulations, I now have one of the songs from Monty Python’s “The Background to History” stuck in my head. ETA: > [@ToeJam](#): > > Isn’t that what started this whole mess in the first place? No, getting is fine. It’s coming that’s the problem. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/412 "2009-12-04T22:33:53Z")
> [@ToeJam](#): > > Isn’t that what started this whole mess in the first place? no, because he _likes_ his assertions/asser-shuns/he shuns people who go for the ass. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=20)