# I Pit Amazing Grace Baptist Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/41 "2009-10-24T16:51:30Z")
I had no idea **Curtis** was so young, and it explains so much. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/42 "2009-10-24T16:55:14Z")
I have to say, he is very well written for a person his age. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/43 "2009-10-24T19:58:04Z")
> [@fuzzypickles](#): > > Or, perhaps, the term refers to a specific, unfathomably perverted sexual position which has since been lost to the mists of time. Kinda like Greek Fire. This needs research. And experiments. Lots of 'em. That being said, as the Internet is my witness, I believed everything even remotely sexual had been tried at least once. And videotaped. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/44 "2009-10-24T20:10:11Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > Let’s see some things that are different: > > 1. I do not think the Roman Catholic Church is the “Whore of Babylon” and I don’t think all Catholics are automatically damned, I think there are many, many Catholics who are saved. > > 2. As noted above I am not as puritanical as this church and approve of among other things (mildly) revealing clothing, movies, television, alcohol, and tobacco use. > > 3. I do not think Christians are automatically wrong or damned because of their denomination; it all depends on their PERSONAL belief. Well bless your heart. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/45 "2009-10-24T20:11:41Z")
It’s unfair to automatically discount anything he says due to his age. If his arguments are flawed due to lack of experience or due consideration, then you can attack them on that merit. I remember long ago I didn’t tell anyone on the internet how old I was until I was 19 or 20, exactly because I didn’t want to have what I had to say unfairly dismissed. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/46 "2009-10-24T20:45:38Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > It’s unfair to automatically discount anything he says due to his age. If his arguments are flawed due to lack of experience or due consideration, then you can attack them on that merit. > > I remember long ago I didn’t tell anyone on the internet how old I was until I was 19 or 20, exactly because I didn’t want to have what I had to say unfairly dismissed. I believe it’s because he acts like a know-it-all, perhaps? And if you’ve read his lectures in other religious threads, it’s quite irritating. (Read some of his abortion threads, for example.) ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/47 "2009-10-24T21:03:53Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I believe it’s because he acts like a know-it-all, perhaps? And if you’ve read his lectures in other religious threads, it’s quite irritating. (Read some of his abortion threads, for example.) Spelling, grammar, and punctuation is pretty good, though. And he does present ideas fairly well. I generally don’t agree with a significant proportion of his conclusions, but he’s straight-forward enough. One constant is that he seems quite confident about his conclusions. I remember having the same confidence in my (much) younger days. Now the more I learn, the more I realize how little I truly know. Experience will improve him, I’ve no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/48 "2009-10-24T21:34:40Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > Jesus didn’t say a damn thing about gays. Or pants for that matter, and he certainly would have known [of them](http://people.uncw.edu/deagona/ancientnovel/greg.h3.gif). He did mention country music but only to say he thought _Stand By Your Man_ was ironic coming from a woman who had been married for so many times and to say Porter Waggoner was being a jerk on the Dolly Parton mealticket lawsuit, these of course being in _The Apocalypse of St. Vinnie_, generally considered apocryphal now. Do KJV-only people not know that King James was widely rumored- [with some evidence](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_relationships_of_James_I_of_England)- to be bisexual (or homo plus wife) or do they know but not care? For that matter do they have a clue why the KJV version **S** of the Bible existed (i.e. political motivation/divine right of kings/etc.) or do they know but not care? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/49 "2009-10-24T21:36:47Z")
My reaction regarding his age has nothing to do with his grammar, spelling, punctuation, or the content of his arguments. It’s the unbending, unyielding attitude of “I’m right, you’re all wrong, you just don’t understand the situation as well as I do and if you did, you’d realize that I’m right and you’re wrong.” It’s the black-and-white thinking. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/50 "2009-10-24T21:38:31Z")
Ugh, no way Our Lord and Savior would sport that ugly-ass skirt-over-pants look, **Sampiro**. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/51 "2009-10-24T21:39:44Z")
Hey, y’all saw this church is offering barbecued chicken and sides along with this book burning, didn’t you? I can’t believe I’m going to outflank **Curtis** on the right, here, but let’s not get all hasty in pitting them. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/52 "2009-10-24T21:40:38Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > It’s the black-and-white thinking. A standard characteristic for that age. Many folks persist in it long-term. Most don’t. But I’m still happy to see 13 year olds using decent spelling and grammar on the internet. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/53 "2009-10-24T21:46:32Z")
Oh, do those still exist? I remember some jokes about that sort of thing when I was a (somewhat more countercultural & cosmopolitan fundie/evangelical) kid. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/54 "2009-10-24T22:05:23Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV); > > Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. Read these verses in the KJV. 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. It says effeminate: not homosexuals. That opens the passage up to all kinds of different interpretations. Jesus said… Matthew 22:37-39 (King James Version) 37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38This is the first and great commandment. 39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Personally, I choose to follow Jesus, not Paul. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/55 "2009-10-24T23:24:03Z")
I don’t care if he speaks like Noam Chomsky – I don’t think I’m the only one who resents being lectured on morality by a kid who’s almost young enough to be my son. Especially when his ignorance is frighteningly obvious. (His constant thread starting is a wee annoying as well.) ---
**Author:** ![Sebastienne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a698b9/32.png) [@Sebastienne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sebastienne)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/56 "2009-10-24T23:55:33Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > Personally, I choose to follow Jesus, not Paul. This has always frustrated the heck out of me. Paul’s a really interesting figure, and a great example of someone struggling to reconcile their new “be excellent to each other” faith with their old “fuck anyone who doesn’t follow my rules” way of living. Some parts of his letters are beautiful, some are outright shitty, and we can learn a lot from both aspects. But why the hell do so many “Christians” really just want to be Paulines? (Well, maybe because they’ve got some of the same issues he did.) He may have been divinely inspired, but he wasn’t divine, he was human, imperfect and fallible. What’s the basis for putting his insistences above the spoken words of God-as-Christ? (Aside from the issues thing.) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/57 "2009-10-25T00:08:48Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I don’t care if he speaks like Noam Chomsky – I don’t think I’m the only one who resents being lectured on morality by a kid who’s almost young enough to be my son. Especially when his ignorance is frighteningly obvious. > > (His constant thread starting is a wee annoying as well.) Perhaps quiet amusement might be a more appropriate response than resentment. ---
**Author:** ![Zsofia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/7bcc69/32.png) [@Zsofia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zsofia)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/58 "2009-10-25T00:10:28Z")
'Cause it’s _in the book_. I really think that’s the reason. ETA - that was to **Sebastienne**. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/59 "2009-10-25T00:10:50Z")
> [@Sebastienne](#): > > But why the hell do so many “Christians” really just want to be Paulines? (Well, maybe because they’ve got some of the same issues he did.) He may have been divinely inspired, but he wasn’t divine, he was human, imperfect and fallible. What’s the basis for putting his insistences above the spoken words of God-as-Christ? (Aside from the issues thing.) This confuses me too. The story of Saul/Paul’s conversion on the Damascus Road is an amazing story. Paul’s words contain a lot of good messages. But, in my belief, Paul didn’t die for my sins. Jesus did. That’s why I’m a Christian, not a Paulian. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/60 "2009-10-25T00:12:40Z")
> [@Sebastienne](#): > > But why the hell do so many “Christians” really just want to be Paulines? Paul was a way better salesman. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=4)