# I Pit Amazing Grace Baptist Church **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 23, 2009, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908 "2009-10-23T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/161 "2009-10-26T22:46:14Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Surely that is a topic that can bring one another together in harmony and appreciation? Having been a sexually repressed Catholic schoolgirl, I say that there was no harmony and appreciation in it at all! ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/162 "2009-10-26T22:46:35Z")
You’re an idiot. Learn to fucking read. _Waits for the people to commiserate._ I clarified what I meant. If you want to keep arguing the pre-clarification argument then there’s nothing to be said here. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/163 "2009-10-26T22:58:41Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > What the hell are you guys arguing about? I thought this thread was about [sexually](http://mitchieville.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/catholic_uniform.jpg) [repressed](http://www.hatingitmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/gw-2310-school-girl-outfit.jpg) [Catholic](http://cdn1.ioffer.com/img/item/121/735/147/Yjp2.jpg) [girls](http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/alcheng/Twins1.jpg)? Surely that is a topic that can bring one another together in harmony and appreciation? [Is](http://www.tshirttrauma.com/img/Halloween_07/Schoolgirl.jpg) [it](http://www.splendicity.com/styleitless/files/2007/10/steveandbarrys-plaidskirt-brown-boots-look1.jpg) [not](http://www.theradreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/mischabarton.jpg)? Who’s the first one? Rawr. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/164 "2009-10-26T23:01:35Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Who’s the first one? Rawr. I have no idea. My guess is that she’s just a random girl who submitted her picture to that site. In a valiant efort to find the identity of this young woman, I went to the homepage of the site hosting her picture and came across (pun definitely intended) [**this**](http://guyism.com/2008/05/the-10-best-booties-in-beach-volleyball.html). I am becoming a fan of that site very quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Onimous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@Ann\_Onimous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Onimous)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/165 "2009-10-27T00:04:32Z")
> [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](#): > > [http://www.marriagedivorce.com/rudvin.pdf](http://www.marriagedivorce.com/rudvin.pdf) has some cites and arguments on the whole issue. But they’re pretty much dead set against remarriage after divorce for any reason. Also against divorce. Yeah, I noticed that. Honestly, what I think about that article is that there’s no hope for forgiveness unless you stay in a marriage that isn’t working. I mean, no matter if you divorce, remarry, or just live together, you’ve sinned and you’re basically screwed. (Pun intended.) He mentions Malachi 2:16, and he says it states simply, “I hate divorce.” Well, in the KJV it’s not that simple, but that would be the general meaning of the first part of the verse. But that was before Jesus. God hates all sin, but all sin can be forgiven if it is asked because of the blood of Jesus. The question then is, is this a sin? I feel God gave us a brain so we can make good decisions. The God I follow would not hold it against a person for leaving their spouse due to domestic abuse, for example. The brain God gave the person was used when they fled the situation. God would not make that situation worse by saying, “But he/she is your spouse: if you don’t stay with them you are condemned to Hell.” Some marriages should not happen in the first place. I can’t see God holding that against anybody. Sorry for the ramble. The article was well-researched, but because of my particular faith, I cannot bring myself to agree with it at all. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/166 "2009-10-27T00:07:08Z")
Heh. My uniform was nowhere NEAR like that. (Of course, I was thirteen when I graduated, then I went to public school. Our’s were butt-ugly) I was raised Catholic, and I’m now lapsed. However, for awhile now, I’ve been wanting to go to [Christ Hope Church](http://www.christhope.com/). Basically, it was founded by an excommunicated priest – who happens to be a cousin of mine – when he started advocating for married and women priests. [This is basically their philosophy](http://www.christhope.com/id4.html). I think #14 applies to our friend **Curtis**. Oh, and **Equipoise** , this is just a pet peeve of mine – but nobody really thought that the [Earth was flat](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_earth#History_of_Western_ideas). They did, however, at one time believe that the Sun revolved around the Earth! ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/167 "2009-10-27T00:12:49Z")
This’ll be the last post I make in this thread. However I shall keep this thread as proof of how assholish and intolerant some atheists and “gay rights” advocates are compared to fundamentalists at least on the Internet. Check out the Christian Forum’s Fundamentalist subforum for comparison. > [@Equipoise](#): > > Because you sound like one of those dicks who’ll (grow up to) vote for anti-gay measures. Luckily, if you really are 13, you’ve got 5 whole years to become an actual human being with feelings and empathy. You’ve got 5 whole years to maybe get to know some actual gay people and change your mind about them. You’ve got 5 whole years to come out of the closet (if indeed that is your problem). You’ve got 5 whole years where, if none of that happens, your politics and religious views will be even more marginalized than they are now and your vote for bigotry and fellow bigots won’t mean diddly-squat. The only “anti-gay” measure I might vote for a bill against gay marriage. I support domestic partnerships which is basically marriage except the title which has satisfied virtually everyone except extremnists who distract us in more pressing issues. Just have domestic partnerships and let the issue die! > [@](#): > > No, I haven’t noticed, but I’m sure that, if there is a god and a hell, fundies and evangelicals won’t be the _only_ people going to hell. I’m pretty sure $cientologists and reality-show stars will be there too. What about Billy Graham? Do you think he is going to Hell? Or Moses who wrote the Leviticus laws which condemn all sorts of things and make it punishable by death. > [@](#): > > But really, all you fundivangelicals think you know the mind of god and that he doesn’t love his homosexuals creations too. Isn’t THAT a sin? You do not understand. I do not hate homosexuals nor any other type of sinner and neither obviously does God. > [@](#): > > No, it just means you’re really sheltered, were lied to about the matter, and are probably extremely frustrated. > > Is that a trick sentence? Does that mean you think homosexuals should be able to serve freely and proudly out in all branches of the military? Or are you opposed to DADT because you don’t think they should be serving at all? The former; I don’t care soldiers are homosexual or not. > [@](#): > > A lot of people thought the earth was flat at one point. A lot of people thought that bloodletting was a valid medical procedure. A lot of people thought that blacks and women were inferior to white men and didn’t deserve equal rights. A lot of people thought a lot of things that most sane people consider ridiculous now. You can scream as much as you want about how your way of life and thinking is rapidly disappearing, but rapidly disappearing it is, and don’t let the door hit your tiny mind on the way out. (though you still have time, unlike Starving Artist) > > That’s so funny. However the Bible has nothing to say about the above two while God has said all men and women are spirtually equal before Him. > [@Zsofia](#): > > I always wonder why the fundies never go after divorced people, which the Bible has a lot to say about. Jesus did approve of divorce for adultery. > [@gonzomax](#): > > If you believe in god, who do you think made gays? Are you questioning gods creations selectively? There are sinners because it is human nature to sin. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/168 "2009-10-27T00:16:47Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > This’ll be the last post I make in this thread. However I shall keep this thread as proof of how assholish and intolerant some atheists and “gay rights” advocates are compared to fundamentalists at least on the Internet. Check out the Christian Forum’s Fundamentalist subforum for comparison. Yep, dude, you are a shining star of tolerance. You are like the Rudolph of generosity and forgiveness. Quick, hide your light under a bushel before the abominable gets here. ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/169 "2009-10-27T00:21:06Z")
I don’t have time to hunt down a ton pictures right now, but I just want to ask that if the OP is going to bow out, does this mean the topic can officially be changed to something [more](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11706303&postcount=159) [fun](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11706404&postcount=164)? **jsgoddess** : It sounds like you were going to the wrong school if your uniforms looked nothing like the scholarly works I’ve linked to. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/170 "2009-10-27T00:22:55Z")
Oh bullshit, **Curtis** – EVERYONE is judgmental. Every single human being. Anyone who says they’re not is a fucking liar. Perhaps people are “intolerant” of being called sinners and threatened with hell, ever think of that? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/171 "2009-10-27T00:36:14Z")
> [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > **jsgoddess** : It sounds like you were going to the wrong school if your uniforms looked nothing like the scholarly works I’ve linked to. Everyone’s mistaking me for other people today. I didn’t say that about the uniforms. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/172 "2009-10-27T00:41:14Z")
> [@Juliana](#): > > The article was well-researched, but because of my particular faith, I cannot bring myself to agree with it at all. As Pops Mercotan used to tell me, “Never let your beliefs keep you from doing what you know is right!” 😉 [sub]Pops was a bit of a contrarian, but with style[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Covered\_In\_Bees](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7ab992/32.png) [@Covered\_In\_Bees](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covered_In_Bees)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/173 "2009-10-27T00:42:08Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > Everyone’s mistaking me for other people today. I didn’t say that about the uniforms. Well would you look at that! :smack: So **Guin** , you totally were going to the wrong kind of Catholic school. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/174 "2009-10-27T00:55:13Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > The only “anti-gay” measure I might vote for a bill against gay marriage. I support domestic partnerships which is basically marriage except the title which has satisfied virtually everyone except extremnists who distract us in more pressing issues. Just have domestic partnerships and let the issue die! Oh hell no. It’s not going to die, so you can suck it. Gays and straights alike who support equality aren’t going to give up the fight and some snot-nosed little punk bigot isn’t going to change their minds. What’s it to you anyway if someone you don’t know gets married to someone they love? > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > What about Billy Graham? Do you think he is going to Hell? Or Moses who wrote the Leviticus laws which condemn all sorts of things and make it punishable by death. Uh, read my lips. I don’t think ANYBODY is going to hell because I don’t believe in hell. I was having fun with the thought that bigots and idiots would go straight there. > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > You do not understand. I do not hate homosexuals nor any other type of sinner and neither obviously does God. Then why do you think that homosexuality is a sin? > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > The former; I don’t care soldiers are homosexual or not. Well, there’s hope for you yet. > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > However the Bible has nothing to say about the above two while God has said all men and women are spirtually equal before Him. “God” didn’t say diddly squat, but those who heard voices in their heads sure had a lot to say about a lot of matters. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/175 "2009-10-27T01:05:47Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > This’ll be the last post I make in this thread. Bye > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > However I shall keep this thread as proof of how assholish and intolerant some atheists and “gay rights” advocates are compared to fundamentalists at least on the Internet. Yeah like that stupid, Amazing Grace Baptist Church. You’re way’s quite obviously ‘the right way’. You have all the answers. Better run back to your, more tolerant, fundamentalists. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/176 "2009-10-27T01:21:42Z")
I can’t resist posting once more. > [@Equipoise](#): > > Oh hell no. It’s not going to die, so you can suck it. Gays and straights alike who support equality aren’t going to give up the fight and some snot-nosed little punk bigot isn’t going to change their minds. What’s it to you anyway if someone you don’t know gets married to someone they love? How about if we just let the states decide? > [@](#): > > Uh, read my lips. I don’t think ANYBODY is going to hell because I don’t believe in hell. I was having fun with the thought that bigots and idiots would go straight there. I mean do you imagine yourself with Rev. Graham and Moses going to Hell? > [@](#): > > Then why do you think that homosexuality is a sin? YOU SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND DO YOU? THINKING SOMEONE IS SINNING DOES NOT EQUAL I HATE SOMEONE!!! HOW MANY FREAKIN’ TIMES MUST I SAY THAT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND!!! > [@](#): > > Well, there’s hope for you yet. > > “God” didn’t say diddly squat, but those who heard voices in their heads sure had a lot to say about a lot of matters. [/QUOTE] Neither did Paul or Peter or any other person in the NT. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/177 "2009-10-27T01:38:36Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > YOU SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND DO YOU? THINKING SOMEONE IS SINNING DOES NOT EQUAL I HATE SOMEONE!!! HOW MANY FREAKIN’ TIMES MUST I SAY THAT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND!!! If you hate what they do and what they do is an integral part of their being, what are you saying about them? As an analogy, suppose I said, “I don’t hate men, I just hate that men have penises. Having a penis is a sin.” There, you can’t claim that I hate _men_, I just hate that men have penises. There’s something they could do to _fix_ that, after all. But wait! Penises are something men are born with! Surely I can’t decide that something someone is born with is a sin… Oh, wait. You have decided exactly that. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/178 "2009-10-27T01:43:00Z")
_penis haz a sad_ ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/179 "2009-10-27T01:44:56Z")
Aw, I didn’t mean it! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908/180 "2009-10-27T01:46:56Z")
> [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > This’ll be the last post I make in this thread. > [@Curtis LeMay](#): > > I can’t resist posting once more. Dopers, am I wrong, or doesn’t this ALWAYS happen? > [@Covered\_In\_Bees](#): > > Well would you look at that! :smack: > > So **Guin** , you totally were going to the wrong kind of Catholic school. Well, it was K-8. So I don’t think you’d want to see the “sexy school girl” there. Although, **Cesario** might. 😛 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-amazing-grace-baptist-church/514908.md?page=10)