# I pit America **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 6, 2024, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759 "2024-11-06T05:57:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/61 "2024-11-06T12:57:52Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > And it makes no more sense than to say one has faith in Guatemala, or the Soviet Union, or the Achaemenid Empire. I don’t know, I think that last one could make a comeback! It’s a scrappy underdog! ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/62 "2024-11-06T13:21:03Z")
D.L. Hughley: ‘Obama Was What We Aspire To Be, Trump Is Who We Are’ “We have to accept who we are in order to evolve,” the actor said. Yes. I know. Not each and every one of us, but the sentiment, once again, resonates with me. One element I think constitutes a large chunk of “American Exceptionalism” is the extent to which we profit from misery – perverse incentives. Just like Trump, it’s truly another broad based “But what if we … didn’t” philosophy, where norms and decency are sacrificed at the altar of Our Precious GDP. I didn’t watch last eve. I asked Alexa first thing this morning. When was the last time I cried? Then. Because it wasn’t even close – not in the popular vote, not in the EC results. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/63 "2024-11-06T13:39:26Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > D.L. Hughley: ‘Obama Was What We Aspire To Be, Trump Is Who We Are’ > “We have to accept who we are in order to evolve,” the actor said. > > Yes. I know. Not each and every one of us, but the sentiment, once again, resonates with me. If it isn’t actually you, then no amount of acceptance will allow “you” to evolve. People are individuals. Only illiberal people don’t believe that. ---
**Author:** ![mnemosyne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c4cdca/32.png) [@mnemosyne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mnemosyne)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/64 "2024-11-06T13:41:41Z")
When someone tells you who they are, believe them. Well, the USA has told us loud and clear that they are a proudly racist, sexist, bigoted, selfish culture. There is something deeply rotten in the values and morals that directs a significant number of the population. I’m incredibly disappointed in them. It shouldn’t have taken a “longer campaign” or “more getting a message out” to avoid voting for a fascist dictator. It’s never the right decision to vote for the fascist dictator even if the other person didn’t run enough ads in your neighborhood. Fuck. I’m sorry for those who will suffer. I hope people stand together and fight back, and continue to defend the rights of all. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/65 "2024-11-06T13:42:22Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > All of you will soon have the blood of millions of innocent Americans on your hands and God will judge you accordingly I don’t believe there is a god, so tragically there will be no judging… unless he goes too far and there is a tribunal at Nuremberg. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/66 "2024-11-06T13:45:48Z")
**TL;DR With Trump supporters, it’s what they DON’T know that leads them to BE Trump supporters.** Despite the fact that the liberal media probably never held a Democrat administration to account the way they should have (at least not in a few decades), they were substantially harder on, and more suspicious of, Democrat Presidents than the conservative (ie, “State”) media has EVER been of a Republican President. There was never a ‘lane’ for a Democrat administration to stick to where they knew they could just cruise, free from material challenges from the Fourth Estate. I tend to consume much more RW media during a D presidency and much more LW media during an R presidency to avoid hearing nothing but the party line. And the difference in how each covers ‘their’ President is dramatic. It’s also relatively unprecedented. The advent, and rise, of conservative media didn’t “give an outlet” to an ideology that hadn’t been covered before. It gave a free pass that was rife for manipulation. And manipulation is exactly what we got. Did it push LW media farther to the left in the process. I think so. But there’s still absolutely no equivalence in magnitude. So pretty much everybody lost, forcing a few rather discriminating consumers to work very hard to find outlets who consistently hew close to the center. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/67 "2024-11-06T13:51:22Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > America stands for democracy, for freedom, for liberty. The moment Trump goes against any one of those, he’s going to be in trouble… [_mmm rubs his eyes, shakes his head, splashes water on his face, rubs his eyes harder, reads this again_] mmm ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/68 "2024-11-06T13:54:42Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Idiocracy is a eugenics movie. That’s more in line with the winner of this election. Thank you for calling that out. Cannot fucking stand that movie. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/69 "2024-11-06T14:04:04Z")
I realised Trump was probably going to win a couple days ago, when I read [this BBC article](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7484kwl55qo) and the comment by the first person interviewed (my bold): > _Felicity voted for Trump in 2020 but has yet to decide if she’ll back the former president a second time._ > > I have no freaking clue man. It’s so hard. **When I voted for Trump, it came down to who would I trust with my kid alone** and it wasn’t [President Joe] Biden. Said it all for me, really, and I knew y’all were royally fucked. And us all with you. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/70 "2024-11-06T14:05:37Z")
I don’t think that Harris could have done anything better or different to have gotten a different result. The bottom line is we now know the proportions of the population who are evil and who are grossly ignorant, short-sighted, and selfish. For those of you who voted for Harris, you have my sincere thanks and sympathy, from up here in Canada. I fear that your opponents have started a descent into a new dark age and its unimaginable consequences for the indefinite future for the entire world. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/71 "2024-11-06T14:06:26Z")
> [@velomont](#): > > I don’t think that Harris could have done anything better or different to have gotten a different result. Been born a white man. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/72 "2024-11-06T14:14:20Z")
> [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > Still laughing. And I haven’t posted in the BBQ Pit in years. But since I’m in the cesspit, let me make it clear that I’m laughing at **you**. Yes, we’re well aware that the right take particular joy in the suffering of others. “Ha ha, your candidate lost and now millions of people are going to be rounded up and put in camps! Sucks to be you! And them!” > [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > And now I’m reminded why I don’t read posts in the BBQ pit. Because you don’t like having your moral bankruptcy pointed out? That’s certainly understandable. > [@Wrenching\_Spanners](#): > > I wish you well. You don’t, though. > [@Smapti](#): > > I said that if Biden dropped out, Trump would win. > > Looks like I was right. And if Biden hadn’t dropped out, Trump would have won by even more. I look forward to your predictions on which direction the sun will rise from tomorrow. > [@madmonk28](#): > > The sooner America collapses, the better for humanity. It wouldn’t be. It would be – _will_ be - bloody and horrible. > [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > I’ll just say what I said elsewhere, because I don’t know how else to say it: > > The United States, having suspended its descent into Hell, chose last night to go the rest of the way. > > He told you what he was going to do. You decided you wanted it. So now we are at the end of this great experiment, its flaws exposed and exploited by an authoritarian lunatic and his personality cult. > > When the lunacy starts, remember that you had a choice, and the choice was stark. This wasn’t a question of a few minor policy differences. I used to wonder how the Germans ever let Hitler into power. After yesterday, I don’t wonder anymore. > > So this is the end. We survived a civil war but failed to kill the ethos that caused it, and it took 160 years but they finally finished the job. Good luck, we deserve everything that is coming to us. And to the rest of the world, I’m sorry. Apparently this IS who we are. I sadly agree. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/73 "2024-11-06T14:16:01Z")
The metaphor I used with my wife is: your daughter comes home and she’s torn between two guys – Hitler, and the guy that doesn’t wash his hands after he pees. ---
**Author:** ![deltogre](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deltogre/32/5041_2.png) [@deltogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltogre)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/74 "2024-11-06T14:19:29Z")
So, for the first time in my life, my instinct tells me to start looking into moving to another country. Self-preservation has a strong pull. Yet, while my wife and I have (maybe) the wherewithal to do so, I worry about those who do not. My family, and my friends, are diverse, racially, socio-economically, even in matters of religious affiliation. And not all of them can, or would, move away from here. We are about to see America turn into a 100% bona fide Christian Nationalist state. Everyone who does not fit that mold is right and truly fucked. My Muslim brother Haneef, who has the most infectious laugh and the world’s biggest heart… His three bi-racial children., My friend Joz, whose chosen pronouns are they/them… My mom and dad, who are in their 70s and therefore completely unable to do much of anything… My queer son…These are all real people, and people that I love and cherish and who are in real danger. So, as much as it sucks for us all, or perhaps BECAUSE it sucks for us all, I will stay and fight. I do not believe in a god, per se, so I will say this; My hope is that there is a reckoning for those who have hatred and greed at the top of their amoral codes that I get to see here on Earth. I just hope Day One Dick-Tater doesn’t use FaceBook as his starting place for rounding up us “enemies from within.” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/75 "2024-11-06T14:29:13Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Hitler, and the guy that doesn’t wash his hands after he pees. Cite that Hitler always washed his hands? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/76 "2024-11-06T14:35:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > It wouldn’t be. It would be – _will_ be - bloody and horrible. Oh yeah, the sooner it’s over, the better. Again: for the rest of the world, not us. But we’re looking at a US/Russian axis that is a threat to the entire planet. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/77 "2024-11-06T14:36:51Z")
> [@mnemosyne](#): > > Well, the USA has told us loud and clear that they are a proudly racist, sexist, bigoted, selfish culture. We are the fascists, and we are the people who fight the fascists. Bull Connor was every bit the American that Martin Luther King Jr. was. Our country contains multitudes. Last night the fascists won. Today we’re lying on the floor bleeding and dispirited. But when we can pick ourselves up from the floor, the same work will face us. I hate it so much. The work doesn’t care about my hate. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/78 "2024-11-06T14:37:27Z")
I’m your huckleberry: > **[It's No Coincidence That Hitler Was a Germaphobe](https://bigthink.com/mind-brain/maybe-its-no-coincidence-hitler-was-a-germaphobe/)** > > Hitler appeared to have been highly sensitive to disgust, and research shows this trait is linked to numerous dimensions of ideology. > Hitler seemed obsessed with the idea of infection. The Nazi leader was, by most accounts, a germaphobe who avoided personal contact and bathedincessantly. He was repelled by sex, horrified by venereal disease. He referred to himself as an Einsiedler – a hermit. He extolled the virtues of celibacy and claimed prostitution was for inferior races, though some have proposed Hitler himself contracted syphilis from a Jewish prostitute in Vienna in 1908. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/79 "2024-11-06T14:44:05Z")
This, and thank you for posting it. ---
**Author:** ![Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slow_moving_vehicle/32/291_2.png) [@Slow\_Moving\_Vehicle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slow_Moving_Vehicle)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759/80 "2024-11-06T14:48:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Jackson](#): > > > [@Smapti](#): > > > > All of you will soon have the blood of millions of innocent Americans on your hands and God will judge you accordingly > > I don’t believe there is a god, so tragically there will be no judging… unless he goes too far and there is a tribunal at Nuremberg. It took five years and millions of dead to get to that tribunal, though. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-america/1009759.md?page=5)