# I Pit America's Pitiful and Cowardly Culture of Gunnism **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 24, 2016, 10:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523 "2016-12-24T10:52:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523/81 "2016-12-27T23:16:56Z")
> [@jz78817](#): > > Can you describe what the “gun show loophole” is, or is it just something you heard politicians say? Oregon now requires a background check for _all_ gun transactions … seriously, you have to meet your next door neighbor at a gun shop and have the check done … guns shows have to have the ability to do the check at the show … I think immediate family is the only exception … > [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Sigh … just who do you think those guns get fired at? :rolleyes: > > If you’re trying to get taken seriously, you’re not off to a good start. The shots get fired at the guy with the machete attacking me in my bedroom late at night … From the beginning … “It may be their fault but they’re not dead, are they?” If I use a Glock 30, then machete-man is dead … and it’s _his_ fault … the Springfield maybe not, and yeah the prison system will have to pay his medical bills, shame on me … I guess I should be more careful how I use complicated English and throw a pronoun in … It’s the convicted felony’s fault he’s a convicted felon, and can’t own a gun … technically, if the convicted felon is dead, then he has no claim to 2nd Amendment rights, that’s called a moot point … ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523/82 "2016-12-27T23:45:49Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Oregon now requires a background check for _all_ gun transactions … seriously, you have to meet your next door neighbor at a gun shop and have the check done … guns shows have to have the ability to do the check at the show … I think immediate family is the only exception … I’d be perfectly fine with this. ---
**Author:** ![Donpeyote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a4c791/32.png) [@Donpeyote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Donpeyote)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523/83 "2016-12-28T00:36:25Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > I was there. IIRC the stores were sold out. No shotguns, no pistols no rifles. People knew something bad was coming. The riots didn’t really take anyone by surprise except the cops. I was there too and there was NO PANIC purchasing of Firearms in the year or months before the Riots (In the sense of the Nationwide Panic buying of 2008 and 2012 and 2014-15 ) and the 15 day cool off period was in effect too so if you were astute enough predict that the SHTF was coming you had to have scored a few weeks out otherwise you were SOL at getting a New or Used Firearm from an FFL ESPECIALLY A HANDGUN during the entirety of the Riots … ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523/84 "2016-12-28T05:41:15Z")
> [@Crazy\_Canuck](#): > > I’m sorry, but I’m keeping my arms. I’m rather attached to them. Well, as long as you keep them in Canada I don’t care. If your neighbors want you disarmed you’ll have to fight it out with them. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523/85 "2016-12-28T18:10:27Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > The vast majority of policies that seek stronger restrictions on gun acquisitions with the long term goal of reducing the number of guns can never actually reduce the number of guns in the hands of the folks most likely to commit crimes with guns… criminals. > > There is literally no law that will compel a criminal to turn in his gun. Well, this Canadian who has had a colorful past disagrees with you on both points. Canada’s restrictive handgun laws actually do severly limit how easy it is for criminals to get guns. You can still get them, but they cost a lot, require some major connections to find on the black market, and are a major heat-score from the cops. IME most Canadian criminals use knives or other easier to get weapons. I knew a few dudes who carried sawed-off shotguns, but they were the exception. On your second point, criminals to get rid of their guns all the time. Once you’ve used it, it’s now evidence that you committed a crime. The logical thing to do at that point is to get rid of it and replace it. By creating laws that restrict the acquisition of guns, you make replacing the guns they have now harder. It’s not a cure-all, but it’s not a situation to just throw your hands up in the air and claim it’s impossible. ---
**Author:** ![Crazy\_Canuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazy_canuck/32/5282_2.png) [@Crazy\_Canuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazy_Canuck)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523/86 "2016-12-28T18:21:41Z")
> [@eulalia](#): > > Well, as long as you keep them in Canada I don’t care. If your neighbors want you disarmed you’ll have to fight it out with them. Since I’m armed and they are not, that would be a very unfair and very short fight. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-americas-pitiful-and-cowardly-culture-of-gunnism/775523.md?page=4)