# I pit anti-gun pediatricians **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 21, 2013, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578 "2013-03-21T22:40:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/141 "2013-03-27T16:33:11Z")
SSSSHHHhhhhh!!! ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/142 "2013-03-27T16:46:51Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I do agree that they should be asking about pools and have info on those also. Although, since pools generally require zoning approval and insurance coverage, that information is probably already provided to the large majority of pool owners, morons and otherwise. > [@John\_Mace](#): > > No, they are coming to take your pool! > [@Yllaria](#): > > Also, it’s possible that some group is providing the gun pamphlets for free. It might even be a gun group providing them. If the pool folks were handing out pamphlets, they’d have those, too. > [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Ok, that’s it. No more swimming pools. Gone, banned. Actually, the cost of liability for having a pool is starting to make back yard pools rarer. I’ve read some articles that say that in some places, a pool actually pulls down the value of a house because of the liability and insurance issues. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/143 "2013-03-27T16:57:33Z")
Well, that’s swimming pools! Firearms make homes safer, don’t need studies to prove that, it’s just plain old common sense! Of course, if there were such studies, they would totally prove that firearms make homes safer. That’s how you know that a study is biased and corrupted by gun grabbers, if they don’t say what everybody knows, they are biased. Insurance companies know all this stuff, they live and die by statistics. No doubt about it, the more guns you have, the safer the home. Sure, you got a swimming pool, ten million dollars of liability insurance may cost you ten thousand, but no pool and ten guns, maybe couple of bucks. Tops! ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/144 "2013-03-28T02:18:39Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > Not really, because this is precisely the sort of research that has been stifled by the gun lobby. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/145 "2013-03-28T02:19:43Z")
Do you do anything worthwhile besides talk about guns all the time? > **[The NRA's war on gun science](https://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/the_nras_war_on_gun_science/)** > > In addition to fighting gun laws, the gun lobby has spent the past 20 years fighting research into gun safety ---
**Author:** ![Kable](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed655f/32.png) [@Kable](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kable)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/146 "2013-03-28T02:20:41Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Would you favor a tax on all gun and ammo purchases to pay for it? No I’m pretty much against sin taxes for exercising constitutional rights. Take it out of the defense budget if you must, but I bet you could get the NRA to do it for free. ---
**Author:** ![Docta\_G](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2bfe46/32.png) [@Docta\_G](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Docta_G)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/147 "2013-03-28T02:21:20Z")
Anyone dumb enough to start a thread like this is probably too dumb to own a gun. Or a vacuum cleaner. ---
**Author:** ![April\_R](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@April\_R](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/April_R)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/148 "2013-03-28T02:41:51Z")
> [@Dangerosa](#): > > Mine asks if my husband beats me. (The question is “do you feel safe in your home”.) > > Do men get asked that, or is it just women? I get that every time I have to go in to Labor and Delivery with contractions (3 times now). It’s standard procedure at least in hospital admissions, and they ask it without your significant other in the room. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/149 "2013-03-28T04:06:59Z")
Safe in your home? When you got three kids? Shit, the Leggos alone will kill ya… ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/150 "2013-03-28T04:51:04Z")
> [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](#): > > The extent to which they serve the interests of gun owners is a happy semi-accidental cover story. Assumes that the NRA serves the interests of gun owners, which is not in evidence. Specifically, opposing trigger locks, which ends up killing a bunch of gun owners’ kids, and opposing research which would allow gun owners to make rational decisions about the costs of having guns in the home, which also ends up killing some gun owners’ kids (assuming there are rational gun owners, of which I know one) are the two counterexamples that come to mind. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 10:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/151 "2013-03-28T10:24:53Z")
> [@Cliffy](#): > > Assumes that the NRA serves the interests of gun owners… No, I pretty much said the opposite of this. The NRA represents gun manufacturers interests. ETA: Even better evidence than what you provided is that they receive millions from gun manufacturers, and that they once described their biggest priority as getting a law passed that prevents gun manufacturers from being sued. ---
**Author:** ![babygoat666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2acd7d/32.png) [@babygoat666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/babygoat666)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/152 "2013-03-28T14:52:42Z")
> [@GaryM](#): > > Ask the doctor if he’s been trained in firearms safety. Ask if he’ll sign a release accepting liability if his instructions are followed and there is an incident of any kind. I’ll bet he’d shut up really fast. Why do you want him to shut up? What’s wrong with gun safety? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/153 "2013-03-28T14:59:43Z")
> [@April\_R](#): > > I get that every time I have to go in to Labor and Delivery with contractions (3 times now). It’s standard procedure at least in hospital admissions, and they ask it without your significant other in the room. They asked that of my wife when she was admitted for childbirth. Since I was there, the nurse pointed to the form where it asks “Do you feel safe with the person who brought you here?” while glaring at me nastily. What a bitch! ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/154 "2013-03-28T16:05:37Z")
> [@babygoat666](#): > > Why do you want him to shut up? What’s wrong with gun safety? Nothing wrong with gun safety, in fact I’m a big proponent of it. But if the Dr offering advice is basing a safety lecture on a political agenda rather than his training and experience I’d when I have issues with it. A Dr’s medical advice is covered by his malpractice insurance, is his safety advice also covered? ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/155 "2013-03-28T16:13:14Z")
When I was in med school and residency and rotating in OB/GYN clinics we always asked the “Do you ever feel unsafe in your home” question, and I was shocked by how many people said “yes”. It was multiple patients every single day, and often not the ones you’d guess. We counseled them, gave them info on safe houses, and sometimes actively helped them get to one. I suppose this means we’re against relationships. ---
**Author:** ![Cliffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/156 "2013-03-28T16:22:30Z")
> [@GaryM](#): > > But if the Dr offering advice is basing a safety lecture on a political agenda rather than his training and experience I’d when I have issues with it. Why would you assume this? Do you think perhaps that doctors do not see kids with bullet holes in them? They do. –Cliffy ---
**Author:** ![GaryM](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garym/32/241_2.png) [@GaryM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GaryM)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/157 "2013-03-28T19:10:24Z")
Sure they do, but I’d wager that most who do are not GPS. Would you value legal advice offered by an ex-con? He must have some experience with the legal system. I regularly shoot with folks some of whom are doctors. If they offered safety advice I’d value it because at least they speak from experience. ---
**Author:** ![pbbth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f9ae1b/32.png) [@pbbth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pbbth)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/158 "2013-03-28T19:41:53Z")
> [@DoctorJ](#): > > When I was in med school and residency and rotating in OB/GYN clinics we always asked the “Do you ever feel unsafe in your home” question, and I was shocked by how many people said “yes”. It was multiple patients every single day, and often not the ones you’d guess. > > We counseled them, gave them info on safe houses, and sometimes actively helped them get to one. I suppose this means we’re against relationships. Once my husband and I went to an apocalypse themed party and dressed as zombies. White face makeup, blacked out eyes, blood around the mouth, the whole deal. Over the course of the party my husband’s makeup wore off and for some reason mine didn’t. On the walk home we passed a group of about 8 police officers who stopped us and questioned me about whether or not I’d been beaten, whether or not I felt safe, did I want to go with them, etc. Once I figured out that my makeup probably made me look like I’d been beaten within an inch of my life if you didn’t know it was supposed to be zombie-ish I explained and offered to take them to the party so they could see all the other post apocalyptic costumes. They let us go but they were very clearly ready and willing to arrest my husband if I gave them the word. Obviously they were anti-relationship too. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/159 "2013-03-28T20:11:34Z")
> [@GaryM](#): > > Sure they do, but I’d wager that most who do are not GPS. Would you value legal advice offered by an ex-con? He must have some experience with the legal system. > > I regularly shoot with folks some of whom are doctors. If they offered safety advice I’d value it because at least they speak from experience. See, it’s weird to me that you would not accept safety advice from a medical professional just because they may not be a gun owner. Is the advice different? Or you just don’t like being told what to do by people who don’t share your hobbies, which may or may not result in the death of your children? ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2013, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578/160 "2013-03-28T21:04:22Z")
> [@GaryM](#): > > Sure they do, but I’d wager that most who do are not GPS. Would you value legal advice offered by an ex-con? He must have some experience with the legal system. > > I regularly shoot with folks some of whom are doctors. If they offered safety advice I’d value it because at least they speak from experience. You mean they’re doctors who have children and guns in their homes, right? Although it’s a fair point to say that _some_ physician safety info is cut and pasted without the individual doc having done due diligence, and I’ve seen stuff that I know wasn’t backed up by hard science and that I believe to be innaccurate. But that’s a far cry from claiming it’s agenda driven. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-anti-gun-pediatricians/653578.md?page=9)