Because anyone who questions anything about the sacred holy gun must live in fear of it. I call it The Palin Effect.
Please let us know when anyone actually makes that argument. Until then you are creating strawmen.
How I typically see it is like this:
Anti-gun nut: We have to ban/limit/something guns for the safety of our children!!
Normal person: You do realize, don’t you, that pools kill way more kids than guns, right? So if kid safety was something you were really interested in, you would really be all up in arms about private pool ownership. It sure seems like there must be something besides kid safety animating your vitriol against guns.
Anti-gun nut. . . . [Bunch more standard bullshit.]
What do you think is motivating anti gun attitudes if not a desire to reduce number of people that die from gunshots?
Normal person: We have to do something about guns for the safety of our children; while we’re at it, fuck it, for safety of our adults too.
Gun nut: Let’s talk about pools and ladders and hammers and lawn darts and jello pudding and that fuzzy shit you find in your navel, anything but guns!
I’d like to hear this too. I asked it of the esteemed Kable and all we got was some doubletype about registered Democrats and mind-control rays, or something.
Well, if it were true, so what? Don’t that much like kids. Scabby kneed, snot sleeved crumb-snatching beggars. Mine used to kinda cute, but so what? If the evidence indicates that such efforts as are afoot will, in fact, lower their death rate by firearms, aren’t we obligated to do it anyway, whether the proponents are sincere or not?
Sincerity is a measure of character, but not an indicator of fact.
Stolen. Mine!. Back off, got here first!
American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) position on preventative guidance regarding firearms: Firearm owners with children are obligated to store their weapons safely. That means the weapon and the ammunition both locked up and in separate locations. Not having a gun in a house is safer than having one. Included in a long list of guidance subjects. Currently one getting more than its usual share of attention for obvious reasons.
To some that seems “anti-gun.” So be it.
AAP legislative agenda: supports requiring guns to be made in ways that make it more difficult for a child to accidentally use it, encourage child access prevention laws (such as the one Florida has), background checks, no gun show loop hole, manndatory waiting periods, and support the dreaded and mocked by most gun enthusiasts assault weapon ban.
Certainly on the gun control side of the fence. To many a gun enthusiast would seem like an anti-gun nut stance. Many others (including many gun owners) would agree with some parts and not with others. (I’m in that group for the little that is worth.) Some would agree with all and some would think not far enough. YMMV.
In both cases motivated by trying to limit harms associated with guns. Even if you disagree with the concusions they have made.
The problem of pediatricians failing to adequately address drowning prevention is long standing. See this article from 1999:
The only (weak) defense of this fail I can offer is that unlike safe gun storage guidance there is no evidence that a brief office promotion has any impact on behaviors associated with prevention of drowning and, given that the actual major association with drowning accidents (othr than going swimming) is the momentary lapse of supervision – not kids left alone just a momentary lapse, likely wold not. Hard to believe that a brief counselling will impact that much honestly. But that does not excuse our not trying better than we do.
So a lot of people have guns in their houses and only a few deaths occur. It’s like some kinda roulette game…
As someone earlier pointed out you lack the intelligence to translate statistics. Drownings account for more deaths than fire arms. Pools do not. Not all drowning involve pools. On the other hand fire arms are involved in every fire arm related death.
Mmmm, I would understand your point if the primary point of a pool was for killing people.
That would be so cool! You’re going along in your usual dark alley and somebody looms out at you, you reach under your coat and whip out a swimming pool…
Stop, or I’ll say MARCO!
polo…
What’s wrong with killing people? Yeah, I get the whole social contract thing but I wouldn’t grieve in the least if I had to kill a two-legged predator to protect myself.
We can tell. Salivation and gleeful hand-rubbing aren’t traditional signs of grief.
Its based on more than a question and a pamphlet. The published position of the AAP is to get rid of guns in homes. They do not have a similar position discouraging people to live in homes without pools (or to cement over your pool if you have one).They support an AWB, which indicates (to me at least) taht tyey by an irratiobnal fear of guns as much as anything. the medical establishment generally treats guns as an unmitigated evil.
I think the level of concern over guns is driven by irrational overblown fear.
Yeah, maybe my pedicatrician would have been mroe rational on the issue before Newtown, maybe they wouldn’t have reacted like I was an irresponsible parent for having a gun in the house.
So they support almost every gun regulation that has ever been put on the table, and some of them are even good ideas. Do they also support legislation getting rid of pools or even requiring all pools to be surrounded by 4 foot fences or covering pools with a hard top during the off season?
Oh I think they care about kids but i think their animus and focus on guns is driven by an overblown fear of guns.
It doesn’t really take very long for something really bad to happen with a gun either. Which, is presumably part of why they counsel people to get rid of their guns. Why don’t they counsel people to cement over their pools if pools can prove lethal in the blink of an eye?
Yeah, people who disagree with you must be stupid :rolleyes:
Read the reports, the incidence of drowning exceeds the incidence of kids shooting themselves by a factor of 15, you think that fewer than 1 in 15 drownings occur at private pools? Why not just counsel against taking kids near all pools and beaches?
http://forums.familyeducation.com/discuss/infants-and-toddlers/pool-safety-tips-300-children-drown-pools-each-year
Its taking longer than we thought.
The primary point of cars isn’t to kill people either but we legally mandate that children ride in car seats. I don’t think the whole “primary point of guns is to kill people” does very much for your argument. I’m not sure how it is relevant from the safety perspective if something else actually kills more kids on both an absolute and percentage basis.
Seriously? You’re playing this card after all the retard and lemming comments you’ve already made? I’ve come to think that whatever bad manners you’re pediatrician displayed are either in your own mind, or are your own fault.
ha
He has these spasms of reasonability, but they pass rather quickly.
Nah, I just laugh hysterically.