Asians started out with a cultural history of almost revering education and the immigrants from Asia were generally very well educated and emphasized education to their children.
Blacks started out with their culture and their history stripped away and replaced with slavery. Then they lived with Jim Crow for about a century. There is a difference.
Why don’t we let the affected minorities decide if they are offended or not.
I think we are talking about college basically but if two candidates for a government job are equally qualified and one is an American indian and the other is a white guy from Connecticut, why can’t we have a preference for teh American indian guy. Why can’t we have a preference for doing business with companies that have a similar policy?
If anything affirmative action hurts Asian applicants because the overrepresentation of Asians in America’s colleges makes these schools less diverse (one of the premises behind having affirmative action). What point are you trying to make?
I guess this all started with my comment that some of the people who were against affirmative action had school aged children. My point was that their opposition might have to do with the fact that affirmative action gives a prefrence to black hispanic and american indian kids and not to their kids.
Yes. Some believe it is also about providing diverse perspectives in the classroom. That kind of diversity supposed to provide a better education and preparation for life, work, and citizenship for everyone–not just the poor downtrodden who supposedly wouldn’t get in otherwise.
This is why there were so many amicus briefs from corporations and other organizations in support of affirmative action when the Michigan admissions cases went before SCOTUS.
Oh really? Because around here, if a black person is even slightly hinted at thinking they have experienced racism and an actual noose wasn’t involved, the Oppressed Whites swoop in to pick apart and ridicule the claim. At the same time, they shriek about all the horrible racism they’re suffering, like AA. No, I think it is pretty standard around here to believe that only white people have valid claims about non-violent racism.
LMAO, how much effort does the NAACP put into racism that effects whites or non blacks only? They dare to critisize claims of racism from others and cry foul when the government sponsors racism against a certain race they may be a part of? Oh, my, lets dust off the Jim Crowe laws 'cus we may need 'em soon in this “brave new world”.
So in other words, you’re under the extremely mistaken impression that white people sufffer as much from racism as black people, which is part of what leads to people like you only getting upset when they perceive racism directed at white people, and dismissing all other claims.
Buddy, you don’t know me. You don’t know what I get upset about. So based on your ignorant assumption of me, I can pretty much guess you don’t know what the fuck people “based around here” think. I’m sorry I even responded to your original supposition.
That’s two of us. Are you actually saying that because I have no personal knowledge of you, I can’t possibly grasp the generalities of the board culture? What an interesting theory. Are there other areas of knowledge you feel are predicated on a sufficient understanding of the glory that is you?
I am saying you are jumping to wild ass conclusions based on no evidence just to make your argument look better. What could possibly make you think I only get upset about racism directed at white people and dismiss all other cliams? And what in the hell does the “board culture” have to do with you assigning such a idiotic comment to me?
I mean, you’re right to say I don’t know you. I have no idea who the fuck you are. If I’ve ever even seen you here before, I’ve forgotten. I’m looking forward to a few minutes from now when I forget you exist once again. So yeah, we’re on the same page, it would be pretty bizarre for me to suddenly start telling you what you think. Luckily, I never did that.
Oh, I said “people like you”. Well, that was based on your comment about AA, and nothing else. You might not be one of those people, but it is people who agree with you that do that.
It’s amazing how you always try to force a conversation towards the realm of “the horrendous racism that blacks suffer from” while simultanously decreeing that all whites are bitching pussies.
Who was enslaved more recently? Who has recieved numerous appologies and benefits as a result of the slavery and racism their ancestors suffered from? Which culture had to overcome greater and more numerous steps to not just succeed, but to even be somewhat welcomed into the American system? I agree a lot of it has to do with culture, but should one person who comes from a culture that revered hard work and education have to suffer at the expense of one who’s culture doesn’t?
Fine by me. I was affected in a way that I stood to benefit from Affirmative Action (perhaps over someone more deserving), and I was offended, and I turned the offer down. It is wrong and unfair when I stand to benefit, it is wrong and unfair when others stand to benefit. There is a reason why I take the stance I do.
When were Asians enslaved…forget about recently, but at all?
I’m assuming you’re talking about black people, but I’m trying to figure out all these apologies and benefits you’re talking about. The US government has never officially apologized for slavery, and that would be the only apology that counts in modernity since Uncle Sam is the only entity that existed when the atrocity was committed.
And all these benefits you’re talking about? If it’s AA, then those very same benefits go to Latinos, Native Americans, and white people too. And Asians, too. So what else are you talking about?
Are you really rhetorically suggesting that Asians had a harder time being assimilated into the American mainstream than black people did? Really? My jaw has hit the floor over here.
