# I Pit Babale **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 7, 2025, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738 "2025-04-07T14:59:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/361 "2025-05-06T18:44:46Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > But, yes, if you can link to Dean or someone _concisely_ explaining what these “microaggressions” were, and if this explanation seems ridiculous to me even without hearing the other side of the story, that would go a long way toward establishing your point. > [@Babale](#): > > I don’t have any clips of Dean and Co. explaining the microaggressions - in their space, accusing someone of “severely microaggressing against several BIPOC women” is detailed enough. You know what, I stand by my larger point that the TikTok crowd doesn’t ever provide concise summaries of anything, but I’m being a little unfair in the specifics here. It’s true that these content creators aren’t providing a succinct summary of what the microaggressions were, BUT in context, that’s because their audience was screaming at them for days to respond by that point. The people they’re talking to already know about the allegations and were already angry; they didn’t need it explained. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/362 "2025-05-06T18:46:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > “Oppression pyramid”? Holy fucking shit dude, you really DO have the memory of a goldfish. I’m factitiously alluding to _the very post above yours_, the same post _you were responding to_ when I responded to you: > [@DemonTree](#): > > Yeah, I didn’t mean anyone literally believes in an oppression pyramid. I mean they have a massive double standard in how they treat individuals and groups, seemingly or explicitly depending on whether they feel the group in question is more oppressed or privileged in a given situation. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/363 "2025-05-06T18:51:41Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > Yeah, I didn’t mean anyone literally believes in an oppression pyramid. Here’s a thought: When she literally says “Yeah, I didn’t mean anyone literally believes in an oppression pyramid.” you might want to refrain from using the stupid term. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/364 "2025-05-06T18:52:33Z")
Yeah, I didn’t mean it glibly either. If I have to sit through a bunch of rambling livestreams to be in touch, then I’m just going to be out of touch. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/365 "2025-05-06T19:09:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Here’s a thought: When she literally says “Yeah, I didn’t mean anyone literally believes in an oppression pyramid.” you might want to refrain from using the stupid term. I mean, I literally said: > [@Babale](#): > > That’s the sort of thing no one believes in, right? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/366 "2025-05-06T19:09:35Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Yeah, I didn’t mean it glibly either. If I have to sit through a bunch of rambling livestreams to be in touch, then I’m just going to be out of touch. Fair enough. Maybe someone will write an article about this eventually. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/367 "2025-05-06T19:15:29Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > it doesn’t matter if academics are writing careful treatises on intersectionally, when the average person’s understanding is that it’s socially acceptable to criticise and blame some groups but not others If that’s true (and I haven’t seen any actual statistics about what the “average person” thinks of intersectionallism, though I suspect many actual replies would show they think it’s got something to do with automotive traffic flow): I strongly suspect it’s because people who want to use divide-and-conquer tactics keep telling people that what it means is that it’s socially acceptable to criticise and blame some groups but not others. > [@DemonTree](#): > > So they made up this bullshit meme about how being polite is somehow bad and indicates disingenuousnous. That’s not what the meme is about. It’s about how surface politeness is sometimes used as a cover for terrible arguments; and about how the underlying behavior is often not polite at all. Do you think that showing up uninvited inside somebody’s house to insist on carrying on an argument is polite behavior? Because that’s what the sealion in the original meme is doing – while claiming to be polite. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > He’s repeatedly offered to post links to this Zoom call about microaggression. Nobody has indicated any interest in sitting through them He’s been asked to provide text links, by people unwilling to sit through videos. > [@Babale](#): > > Almost everything is long form conversations on Livestreams. The closest to a concise statement you can get is a clip. A clip, by its nature, is always going to be out of context. What do Deaf people do, if they want to be part of this TikTok crowd that apparently everybody in that age group is part of? Are there no transcripts available? Even for conversations among people who take microaggressions and intersectionality seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/368 "2025-05-06T19:18:18Z")
They can have closed captions, which helps Deaf people, but that doesn’t make them any quicker to get through. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/369 "2025-05-06T19:19:03Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Fair enough. Maybe someone will write an article about this eventually. > **[The Unfuck America Scandal: Part 1](https://cfhunfiltered.substack.com/p/the-unfuck-america-scandal-part-1)** > > What no one else is willing to say. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/370 "2025-05-06T19:20:30Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > They can have closed captions, which helps Deaf people, but that doesn’t make them any quicker to get through Ah. That makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/371 "2025-05-06T19:25:05Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > Do you think that showing up uninvited inside somebody’s house to insist on carrying on an argument is polite behavior? Because that’s what the sealion in the original meme is doing – while claiming to be polite. If I ever see anyone do that, I’ll accept that sealioning is a real thing. 😃 Because what I’m seeing is people showing up on the debate forum of a message board, and getting accused of sealioning because they _aren’t_ being rude assholes. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/372 "2025-05-06T19:31:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > > > Yeah, I didn’t mean it glibly either. If I have to sit through a bunch of rambling livestreams to be in touch, then I’m just going to be out of touch. > > Fair enough. Maybe someone will write an article about this eventually Forgive me, Zoomers (well, people Zoomers are fans of), for I have underestimated you! One of the creators involved DID write an article. Or even two. > **[The Unfuck America Scandal: Part 1](https://substack.com/home/post/p-162566223)** > > What no one else is willing to say. > **[The Unfuck America Scandal: Part 2](https://substack.com/home/post/p-162587038)** > > Continued... Disclaimer, I don’t know who this guy is and I haven’t seen prior content from him, but I gather he is one of the left leaning creators who were invited on the tour. This made me cry a little: > [@](#): > > I encourage you to watch the live in question here. Zee enters around the **4 hour 20 minute mark**. Emphasis mine. In the first article, he described the video call itself, and the immediate (non)reaction. In the second article, he shows how public pressure made all the creators turn on Zee. > [@](#): > > The tipping point wasn’t Zee’s behavior. It wasn’t even Peyton’s video, it was the response from the rest of TikTok. > > When Peyton posted his video, it stirred attention. But even then, there was still solidarity among creators. > There was no mention of racism in our group chat, not even micro-aggressions. > No one called for Zee to step down. > People were watching, waiting, but still united. > > The real shift came when the backlash started hitting the rest of us. > > Creators felt pressure. They didn’t want to be grouped in with a so-called “racist.” Not because they had new information. Not because they had been harmed. But because they were worried about optics and brand protection. > [@](#): > > And then came the most telling moment of all. > > During that meeting, a white creator, genuinely trying to understand what was happening, asked the group, specifically the Black creators, “Is Zee a racist?” > > The consensus was: > “No. She isn’t.” > > So he asked, “Then why are we asking her to step down?” > > He wasn’t being combative. He was being honest. > And instead of answering the question, they attacked him. > They removed him from the group chat. > That’s not accountability. That’s cancel culture. And here’s his conclusion: > [@](#): > > And honestly? This is why the left gets nowhere. > > We build something meaningful. Something imperfect, yes, but full of potential. Then the moment it hits turbulence, we tear it apart from the inside. Not with real accountability. Not with process. But with optics, egos, and performative outrage. > > We say we believe in restorative justice, until someone makes a mistake. > We say we believe in mutual aid, until a budget runs dry. > We say we believe in solidarity, until it’s easier to protect our brands than each other. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > if you can link to Dean or someone _concisely_ explaining what these “microaggressions” were, and if this explanation seems ridiculous to me even without hearing the other side of the story, that would go a long way toward establishing your point Here’s this guy’s summary of the microaggressions (but note, unlike Dean he broke with the other creators and decided this wasn’t enough to cancel someone over): > [@](#): > > Zee found out about the live and went into defense mode. She was upset because she felt like her POC staff, who had worked hard to build the tour, were being unfairly attacked. She wanted to stand up for them. > > But here’s where Zee made a key mistake: the Black creators on our tour told her not to join the live. They made it clear that this was a safe space for Black women to speak, and that it wasn’t her place to jump in. They advised her to listen and not center herself. > > Zee didn’t take that direction. She went on the live anyway. Misstep one. > > And on that live, Zee entered a safe space for black people and became defensive. Misstep two. > > And she admitted that. She acknowledged that she let her frustration get the best of her. She apologized to the group immediately afterward, not days later, not under pressure. Immediately. She didn’t run from accountability. She sat with it and owned it. And finally - some fun comments from the article: > [@](#): > > You trying to explain racism is wild. We know far better than you. Microaggressions are racism. The chat was full of anti Blackness. You have a lot of work to do. > [@](#): > > You as a white man saying that another white person wasn’t racist is very ironic. I was watching that live (in its entirety) and no one was upset that they weren’t invited. They were providing constructive criticism about the tour and asking clarifying questions for the motive/agenda. Zee entered the live telling a mostly black panel that them saying the tour was disorganized is “disrespectful to the people of color working behind the scenes” and then began to spew micro (dare I say macro) aggressions towards these women plus some. Taking accountability seems to be something a lot of the people on this tour, including yourself, are bad at doing. Yikes. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/373 "2025-05-06T19:32:13Z")
Some quotes from the article: > [@](#): > > A group of Black creators who were not part of the Unfuck America Tour started a live to air grievances about the tour. They expressed frustration that they hadn’t been invited and felt the tour lacked diversity. > > Some of the Black creators who were on our tour joined the live, and tensions rose quickly. There were arguments between the tour creators and the hosts, and things got heated. > > Zee found out about the live and went into defense mode. She was upset because she felt like her POC staff, who had worked hard to build the tour, were being unfairly attacked. She wanted to stand up for them. > > But here’s where Zee made a key mistake: the Black creators on our tour told her _ **not** _ to join the live. They made it clear that this was a safe space for Black women to speak, and that it wasn’t her place to jump in. They advised her to listen and not center herself. > > Zee didn’t take that direction. She went on the live anyway. Misstep one. > > And on that live, Zee entered a safe space for black people and became defensive. Misstep two. > > And she admitted that. She acknowledged that she let her frustration get the best of her. She apologized to the group immediately afterward, not days later, not under pressure. Immediately. She didn’t run from accountability. She sat with it and owned it. > [@](#): > > Based on Zee’s own words, she didn’t enter that space with ill intent. She got defensive in a moment when she felt her POC staff were being attacked. In doing so, she may have interrupted or overshadowed a space that wasn’t hers to lead. **That’s a microaggression.** It’s real. It caused harm. And it is completely valid for the Black women who hosted that live to name and express that. Naturally the first couple of comments are accusing the author of racism. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/374 "2025-05-06T19:33:23Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > What do Deaf people do, if they want to be part of this TikTok crowd that apparently everybody in that age group is part of? You’d have to ask some young deaf people; I have no idea. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > They can have closed captions, which helps Deaf people, but that doesn’t make them any quicker to get through. Also they are usually AI generated captions with some stupid errors. A common one - almost every video that mentions Hasan has the captions calling him “His son”. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/375 "2025-05-06T19:34:47Z")
Thank you (and Babale for posting the same link), that’s helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/376 "2025-05-06T19:35:26Z")
Curious-Who wrote these articles? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/377 "2025-05-06T19:35:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > > > They can have closed captions, which helps Deaf people, but that doesn’t make them any quicker to get through. > > Also they are usually AI generated captions with some stupid errors. A common one - almost every video that mentions Hasan has the captions calling him “His son”. Oh, I almost forgot! There’s an even more annoying trend than shitty auto generated closed captions, and that’s when they put captions into the video, but they do this dumb thing where ONLY ONE WORD shows up on screen at a time. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/BaaePKNyod0/maxresdefault.jpg "Captions Made Easy (CapCut Tutorial)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaaePKNyod0) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/378 "2025-05-06T19:44:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Curious-Who wrote these articles? Through my mastery over both space and time, I responded before you asked the question: > [@Babale](#): > > Disclaimer, I don’t know who this guy is and I haven’t seen prior content from him, but I gather he is one of the left leaning creators who were invited on the tour. Here’s his channel - looks like he’s a smaller creator, with just over a quarter of a million followers. > **[TikTok - Make Your Day](https://www.tiktok.com/@cfh.unfiltered)** His tagline is: > [@](#): > > Combat vet, ex-sniper, left-leaning dad. Called back to service when my daughter was born, now I fight tyranny with my voice instead of a weapon ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/379 "2025-05-06T19:54:10Z")
He’s also on YouTube, in case anyone without Tiktok (ie all of us) wants to watch his videos: > **[CFH Unfiltered](https://www.youtube.com/@cfhunfiltered?si=0HZuTiujGxbMDA1F)** > > I’m CFH—a combat veteran, former sniper, and left-leaning American dad. When my daughter was born, I felt called back to service—not with a weapon, but with my voice. > > I speak out against authoritarianism, propaganda, and the need some people have... (Damn, linking’s such a bitch on my phone.) ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738/380 "2025-05-06T19:57:05Z")
> [@DemonTree](#): > > He’s also on YouTube, in case anyone without Tiktok (ie all of us) wants to watch his videos ~~He only has one video on YouTube, that’s not really an active channel.~~ ~~He _does_ appear to actively post to Instagram (reels?) but only has 33k followers there.~~ Ignore me, I’m dumb. He only has one YouTube _video_ but he has plenty of YouTube _shorts_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-babale/1016738.md?page=20)